Changing Machines?

[ravenbynight111]

My grammer is always been weak,but my math is strong. If i am winning or staying close  to even i will hang with the machine. If the machine is cold like i said i am gone.

[onemoretry]

My grammer is always been weak,but my math is strong.
Changing machines because you believe your future results on a particular one are, somehow, related to what has been happening, has nothing at all to do with math. 

[Frank Kneeland]

My grammar is always been weak, but my math is strong. If I am winning or staying close  to even i will hang with the machine. If the machine is cold like  said, I am gone.First let me say thank you for answering my question. I was not trying to highlight a grammar error, and for the record I don't think you made one per-say. I think people perceive "having lost" on a machine as something that's happening to them right now, even though it's in the past.  I think you spoke from the heart. For you, losing is not in the past, it's in the present, and that dictated your choice of words. You used the present tense to describe something you were feeling in the present.  That's not an error, that's just being honest about your feelings.For me this is very interesting insight into how people like yourself think, and why they make the decisions they do. My brain doesn't work that way, so without people like yourself willing to explain their thought processes, I'd be left in the dark.I also think they way you think is far more common. I'm in the minority here.It's not as much of an issue of right and wrong as is it is a difference in thought process related to decision making. The field is known as heuristics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic Thanks again for your participation. I have learned something.~FK

[jm002546]

 Fran k i understand your point and you are right they is no sound way to know if a machine is hot. But i keep my eyes and ears open i love information in any kind of gaming. My play is to get on a machine that is close to keeping me  with in a hundred or two to even.I and hope i hit a good lick. But on the flip side if a machine is ice cold I am out of there.If the machine is hot i will not get up. Two years ago at ldl i was on a 50cent tdb machine and was up 2200 with no major hits.I had to get up and go to dinner. When i back from dinner i went back to the machine and could not get on it. I sat next to the machine being played by older man and he could not miss. I have a good head for knowing the feel of the machine. Call me crazy but my wife is just the flip side. Why is the million dollar ?.I am very intense when i play my wife is strictly for fun.Her wins are seldom.
There is no such thing as a HOT machine!  If you have just won a hand then the machinewas just hot for that hand.  If you have just lost a hand then it must have been cold for that hand.  That's not to say there are no good reasons to change machines.

[jm002546]

Here's one for you hot and cold guys.  Say you put $100 in a machine.  Exactly how high do your credits have to go to define the machine as hot?  Say you are $100 ahead on a machine, what is the exact amount you will let your credits drop to before you declare the machine cold?  

[Frank Kneeland]

Here's one for you hot and cold guys.  Say you put $100 in a machine.  Exactly how high do your credits have to go to define the machine as hot?  Say you are $100 ahead on a machine, what is the exact amount you will let your credits drop to before you declare the machine cold?  

I doubt if anyone will take the bait to answer that "question" since in your previous post you made it clear you did not believe in hot & cold machines.

There is no such thing as a HOT machine!Rather than engaging in pointless discussion with people who's opinions we are not going to change, I would be much more interested in morphing this thread into a discussion of why they believe, what they believe. And stay away from a discussion of whether it is right or wrong.For this to occur it would be helpful if no one tried to make them feel bad for their beliefs.We know their conclusions, what we don't know is the thought process leading up to their conclusions.Experience + Information + observation + thought = ConclusionI would like to elaborate on all these elements leading to a conclusion that changing machines is a good idea. I would like to stay away from ANY discussion about whether or not that conclusion is true or false/right or wrong.~FK

[Lucky Larry]

My confusion over number of partners. (late at night post)

I know several recreational players who would define "fun" as getting together with spouse or friends and playing a machine(s), having a few drinks together, laughing, cutting up, and enjoying the social time together. Dropping a few $ or even a couple $100 is not as important as having a good fellowship. One of these couples has no problem dropping $8-10K a year for seats at local pro team games. I have no problem with their goal except when they sit next to me while I'm trying to concentrate.

[Frank Kneeland]

Excellent info. So not all recreational gamblers define winning as the only thing that's "fun".Good to know.~FK

[Lucky Larry]

Frank,
We've got to watch these late night posting (2:23 a.m.) and (4:08 a.m.) posting-normal people are asleep which is where I should be. Of course if I were at a casino, Sweet C and I might still be playing.

Share a little more on how the pros -like you and your partners operate.
1) How you establish a partnership?
2) What qualifications does it take to join? Yrs of experience? Efficiency of play? Personality? Ethical and moral expectations? Size of buy in kitty?
3) What criteria is used to determine where to play, which machines, which games are preferred?
4) What does a normal assignment/ rotation look like?
5) How is money handled? Wins/losses?

Always curious as to how organizations operate.   Is there a senior or team leader who makes calls or is it by consensus? Legal documents which provide structure?

Thanks,

[ravenbynight111]

 If you are playing a 101% payback machine and i am playing a 96.5% and are skill level is equal and we start with the same amount of money by pct you should make more money than I do. Well if i am on a hot machine i will kick your behind. Now in the long run playing everyday more than likely you will win more money pct wise. Jm if what I state happens what else can explain the end result, I was on a hot or great machine i have seen this many times in 35 years of gaming. Look at the world series of poker how many times in the last 10 years has a NON PRO won. Was it skill or luck or hot cards.