IS THIS TRUE?

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=chattycattty]Tedlark or Daburglar, any word or date set for that round of golf with Billyjoe?
Well, it ain't gonna happen in AC any longer. I read where CET recently sold the Atlantic City CC, so there goes my comp rounds there as a 7Star. [/QUOTE]Hey billyjoe, I can get us a free round twice a month through my Resorts/AC card......Resorts AC is owned and operated by Mohegan SUn (they have properties in Connecticut & Pennsylvania along with Resorts-AC)When will you be there next?   I need to know way ahea dof time, though, because my special "handicap-able"  clubs are not something I can travel with on the BUS!   I'd need to arrange other transportation to & fro .......But honestly, I hear the AC golf course is kinda disappointing and there are far more attractive and fun courses elsewhere......perhaps you and I could play up in Northern Nevada, around Reno.....?     It is not as hot and dry as southern Nevada, and frankly, I find Reno to be much more relaxing and even fun than Vegas, because Vegas is so HUGE and overwhelming and has lost its intimate personal touch......what say you to that?????     I also suggest this because I know I can easily acquire/rent in Nevada the type of golf clubs I need to play from my wheelchair, whereas I am not sure I could rent them in AC in case I could not bring my own clubs.   just a thought......

[chattycattty]

Daburglar, I have played Atlantic City twice and Las Vegas three times in the past 12 months and can find no difference in the video poker. In fact overall I probably did a little better at Atlantic City. I think overall you are just unlucky.

I think you make it more difficult on yourself by continuing to psychoanalyze and dwell on and convince yourself how bad video poker is in AC. Others are doing fine in AC and continue to post their results for all to see.

There is no way that I or anyone else can prove that VP in AC is not rigged anymore than you can prove that it is. It is what it is. If you do not like it quit playing there. Just make sure that wherever you go to play you go with a good attitude. Attitude is the only intangible I know of that separates those that are winning from those that are losing once you have laid a foundation based on common sense and a knowledge of how to play the game.

I really hope your luck changes regardless of where you decide to play. We are all looking forward to waking up one morning, going to VP.COM, and seeing a post by you with pictures of handpays and royal flushes and 4OAK's so numerous even you can't keep up with them.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=billyjoe][QUOTE=chattycattty]Tedlark or Daburglar, any word or date set for that round of golf with Billyjoe?
Well, it ain't gonna happen in AC any longer. I read where CET recently sold the Atlantic City CC, so there goes my comp rounds there as a 7Star. [/QUOTE]
Hey billyjoe, I can get us a free round twice a month through my Resorts/AC card......Resorts AC is owned and operated by Mohegan SUn (they have properties in Connecticut & Pennsylvania along with Resorts-AC)

When will you be there next?   I need to know way ahea dof time, though, because my special "handicap-able"  clubs are not something I can travel with on the BUS!   I'd need to arrange other transportation to & fro .......

[/QUOTE]
No short term AC plans, but I will let you know if that changes. Vegas in the summer gets a little too hot for me and golf, so you never know.

[olds442jetaway]

First of all, Happy and Holy Easter to all who celebrate this special day. Second, while I agree that a positive attitude is always good for your health and otherwise, unless the " attitude " can get into the innards of the program and make them win, I think winning is just chance and bad luck does play an important role. That said, I also think those who do have a good attitude make better decisions on when to quit playing, stop chasing a terrible losing streak, etc. etc. etc. In that regard, a good attitude can and does effect our behavior and hopefully for the better most of the time.

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar I would not start a thread trying to prove that 2+2=7 because that would be dumb. You came onto this forum selling your theory that something was amiss with video poker in Atlantic City and this was possibly caused by casinos manipulating a video poker machine's RNG, or whatever, to their benefit. When I and other people told you that manipulating an RNG was not possible you then switched gears and said that you assumed video poker in Atlantic City was the same as video poker in Nevada.    You are the one who is claiming that video poker in Atlantic City ir rigged, not me. Hence I do not have to prove anything but because YOU made the claim, then; it is your responsibility to prove it. You continue to rerun the loop of information regarding the Tennessee Ave office etc. because you have nothing else to stand on to make your arguement that video poker in Atlantic City is rigged. When another poster here had some luck in Atlantic City you downplayed it by saying that: "you can't lose them all." Several other people here, besides roveer, have had wins in Atlantic City too. I chaulk it up to you being either: a disgruntled loser; or, a bad video poker player.

[Tedlark]

  Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. - Robert Frost

[ko king]

  DaBurglar I would not start a thread trying to prove that 2+2=7 because that would be dumb. You came onto this forum selling your theory that something was amiss with video poker in Atlantic City and this was possibly caused by casinos manipulating a video poker machine's RNG, or whatever, to their benefit. When I and other people told you that manipulating an RNG was not possible you then switched gears and said that you assumed video poker in Atlantic City was the same as video poker in Nevada.
 
  You are the one who is claiming that video poker in Atlantic City ir rigged, not me. Hence I do not have to prove anything but because YOU made the claim, then; it is your responsibility to prove it. You continue to rerun the loop of information regarding the Tennessee Ave office etc. because you have nothing else to stand on to make your arguement that video poker in Atlantic City is rigged. When another poster here had some luck in Atlantic City you downplayed it by saying that: "you can't lose them all." Several other people here, besides roveer, have had wins in Atlantic City too. I chaulk it up to you being either: a disgruntled loser; or, a bad video poker player.
I'm not real big on using words like rigged and cheating but I do believe for whatever reason that not all vp is created equal. While I couldn't provide enough concrete evidence to make the claim stand up in court, I've seen, heard and experienced enough during my 20+ years of playing the game to believe it is very possible. Now I don't for one second think that any casino would or could rig the game but I don't think all RNG programs are exactly the same. I'm pretty sure I've brought this up before, if so please excuse me for repeating myself. A few years back I was having a discussion with a state gaming regulator about what I believed to be a difference in the Class III vp for that casino compared to another casino I played at in a different state. The man was very nice and helpfull as he even allowed me to see inside the vp machine to show me how the RNG program was sealed with a security strip, made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Toward the end of our chat I ask if there was more than one approved RNG program and he said he thought there was around 13 approved programs , seems like one would be more than enough. Ted, I kid you not that I could take you to two different casinos in different states both of which offer Class III vp and after say 100K hands of play at each one you would see a difference in results, to top it off I could tell you before you started to play what the differences would be. 

[FloridaPhil]

Here's how I feel about it..
Are Video Poker machines rigged in the casino’s favor?
Yes. If the posted machine payback plus comps you value minus your errors is less than 100%.
Do some video poker machines outside of Nevada pay less than the posted payback?
                Maybe.  No one knows because they are unregulated or allowed to do so.
Can the last statement be proven?
                No. Because you can’t look into every machine and they won’t let you anyway.
Do some people make money long term playing video poker?
                Yes, but you probably won’t.
What it comes down to is value.  If you play video poker and it costs you $500 an hour to play and you get lots of comps and perks and you think that’s worth the money, then it’s a good deal for you.  If you play video poker and it costs you $10 an hour or less and you get nothing out of it except the enjoyment, then you may be just as happy.  On the other hand, if the cost is not worth the money no matter what you get back, you should either adjust the cost until it does or find something else to do with your leisure time.
 
 
 
 

[BillyJoe]

My position on the subject is that what we all seem to be experiencing over the last few years is the advancements in technology in VP machines that move the card selection process further toward a true random selection. No man-made program is random, and a pattern can be detected if studied hard enough. Continuous card shuffling and periodic re-seeding within the number string being created by the RNG helps the VP machine disguise any pattern that may be detected and used to the customer's benefit.
 
Once again, I see no benefit to a casino to 'rig' (if they even could) a VP machine to some particular payout percentage, and then add crappy paytables on it to boot.    

[spxChrome]

From my experience the past couple of years and especially noticeable this year (I play around 1 million hands a year at the $1 level) to me I am seeing way less ending premium hands. I keep pinpoint records and what the data tells me is the mid level hands (250 credits) are out placing the upper tier hands (400/800) by almost 3 to 1. It not uncommon for me to get 8's or 10's 3 or 4 times in an 8 hour session. But this does not happen with Aces/800's.

UNLESS it is dealt... when I look at my dealt quads they match up pretty evenly in numbers across the board. It is after the deal that the variance is most noticeable for premium hands.

So for me I think that the RNG is accurate for the deal to satisfy the Gaming Regulations. Beyond that I believe the program has input on how to complete the hands based on a payback% exactly the way a slot machine handles it. This would not violate regulations and it would not be considered cheating. It would just give control to casinos beyond a paytables payback % to guarantee a certain expected revenue. Where in the old days the machine would just disappear if the RNG landed on the negative side for an extended period of time.

Now with the new chips they have more control without breaking any regulations. An older style machine may hit 4 Royals in 4 days as the deal and draw where random. The payback % is irrelevant because how many hands would determine a cycle? More than the machine is played in years probably. These new chips the casino knows exactly what is going in and out based on which chip they order because its not coming out unless somebody else has already put it in somewhere down the line. Just like a slot machine.

Remember just because there are 5 numbers on the wheel does not mean you have a 1 in 5 chance to pull a 5. Because the table that the numbers get pulled are weighted:

1 - occurs 80
2 - occurs 10
3 - occurs 5
4 - occurs 3
5 = occurs 1

So while it looks like you have a 1 in 5 chance to pull a 5. Really you only have a 1 in 100 chance and a 80/100 to get a 1.