An open offer to Fa La La La La.... La la la la

[pokeherguy]

I remember watching a show a while back on Larry Volk which leads me to wonder if "why would they"  not apply back then?

[cddenver]

He accepted the offer but will never show, as Im told is the norm with the type of people who claim that a martengale system gets the money. Either way such a tiny sample of hands will basically tell us nothing, in a mathematical sense. 

 
The main purpose of the meeting is to see if his claimed 40% card "flip" rate on 1-card draws towards Full Houses, Flushes, and Straights holds up when two sets of records are kept.  An hour or so of single line play should give some good info on that, though of course the more the better.
 
The bankroll that Webman will take to the session is none of my business, but I've already advised him in a PM to add a few zeroes to it if he decides to get strategy training as well. 

[cddenver]

I remember watching a show a while back on Larry Volk which leads me to wonder if "why would they"  not apply back then?
 
All that began in the late 1980's before I began playing, so I didn't follow any of that story while it was going on.  I've read a couple of stories about it and I'll comment based on those.  Some of the members who live in Nevada and remember the story might have more thoughts on it.
 
American Coin was a smaller "niche" company with about 1,000 machines, mainly in bars.  When they were caught, they were fined and shut down.  If they'd been the big player in the gaming market (like IGT is, today) they would have had more to lose by being caught and might well have stayed away from gaffing their machines in the first place.  There are plenty of companies who would be happy to take up the slack if IGT were to lose its license.  Personally, I feel that if a gaffing problem came up today it would be with a smaller company trying to increase its market share.
 
Because of that episode and others Nevada has tightened up its regulatory oversight.   Back then, Nevada was basically the only place to play; with the spread of gaming across the country there's more incentive for NGC to keep machines honest.  People like shadowman could describe the changes in Nevada between then and now, but I know that the state monitoring and testing of machines has been improved - rotating state inspectors is one thing that's been done.  The testing and approval process for machines before they are allowed in casinos is tougher.  The requirements for machines to monitor themselves during play are now pretty tough - back then there might not have been any requirements of that kind at all (I don't know).  I've only been looking at the regs here in CO for about five years, and all of the different specifications for randomness, machine approval/upgrades, testing, components, etc., have been expanded since then.
 
I haven't done any searching, but what would be interesting is to see all of the specific regulations and information on all of the machine approval processes in Nevada from back then (20 years ago) to compare the differences between then and now.  Something like a NGC 1989 website. 
 
 

[mickey crimm]

Webman, I think I can put Rob in touch with some very, very, big bankrolled Las Vegas gambers.  They would probably be willing to give Rob 3 to 1 for everytime a card of the same value came in.  Since Rob will catch a card of the same value 40% of the time he would have a huge edge on the play, right? 

[vdpkr557]

  
I would take that at even money, even though it would never happen.  The bottom line is that any publicity, good or bad, is good publicity.  What a great way to let people know who you are, by stiring up a mess.  If anybody in the world wants to bet on this prop I'll lay 3/1 that on draws to a st, fl, or fh the odd card thrown away will not match the card recieved on the draw, in rank.  I have taken the trouble to contact some friends, and we will take up to $50,000 a hand action($1,000,000 frozen up), with at least a 1000 hand sample, on any vp machine at a mojor casino in Las Vegas.  Bottom line.  If the odd card matches %40 of the time any one taking this bet would have appox. %20 the best of it, how can you do any better.  I'll also take this bet for less, as a matter of fact any amount where my ev. is at least $50 an hour.  Just let me know.  I'm serious, I'll make this bet, but the bottom line is that all of the previous discussions on this matter are for nothing except touting one certian persons "system", which only exists to take advantage of the un-educated, and make money for that certain person.  As I said earlier any publicity, good or bad, is good publicity when it comes to selling in a small market. 
     As you may have noticed no names have been used here, as bashing is wrong, the way I was taught.  This is the last I will comment on this subject as I think it is a null topic.  But anyone that wants my action is welcome.  Everyone out there please dont be fooled, video poker is about the math, not the talk, as many of us whom live a good life from this game can attest to.

[Cashout]

Even though my "onion" has been (Fa La La La La.... La la la la vs. Shadowman) and is being peeled to death , I would still like to know the results of Webmans endeaver.
 
Personally no matter what they are, or what the math is, I will always, always blame the Royals, Aces, 4 of a kinds dealt and so on to my "great playing skills" and all the bad days with no pays on a tight Casino, ah well such is life.
 
Look forward to the results Webman.

[Webman]

Bets have been tried in the past on various topics with Mr. Fa La La La La.... La la la la and they always fall apart for various reasons that have already been discussed here. That is one reason that rather than a bet, I decided to make a simple offer to Mr. Fa La La La La.... La la la la to witness and study this phenomenon with him in person and report the results to all of you. I think the methodology will be good and the gesture of his acceptance is appreciated. He has assured me once again in an email that he will indeed carry through with this. I look forward to the experience.There is little at stake financially (a nickel or penny bankroll) but a lot to be learned no matter what the results are. Based on the comments so far, I know that many say they already know what the results will be. To that end, there is also no risk in this endeavor, and still a lot to be learned.Remember, there is no "secret" this particular test. Anyone can do it themselves if they choose. But I hope to provide you all with results directly from a Fa La La La La.... La la la la session so that we can all look at the same results for once without speculation, using the method I have outlined on the first page. Please be patient as it is just a few weeks away.

[rascal]

Webbie, why not pick up some extra cash money by selling tickets to the event?

[Webman]

Because I am so good, I don't need to make money selling tickets. Or writing books. Or charging for classes. Come on, you walked right into that one. 

[mightwin]

Webman - hope you have fun with this too.  Make sure your trip is not all work...
 
I play VP regularly in New Mexico.  Since I read this somewhere around here the first time (same card value dealt/draw) - I have seen quite a few of the same card values coming up.  I don't keep track of how many hands.  It seems to me that I remember the same card (because now I'm looking for it), but don't realize all the other ones that flew past.
 
Good luck on the research.  I look forward to the report.