IS THIS TRUE?

[chattycattty]

Here's my two cents:

I've been on the winning end and losing end of long streaks with VP. Winning percentages are based on an infinite number of hands. Eventually, the percentages will come true. Some sessions I'm up a thousand percent, some I'm down a thousand percent.

My point is to remember that Casinos weren't built by giving the player a guaranteed win. It's still gambling regardless of the payback percentages.

Why play if you're not enjoying yourself?

Royals to all,

yankees4ever31

That pretty much sums up the way that it is. In any case it makes absolutely no sense to continually cry over spilled milk. Being negative and constantly dwelling on it only makes things worse.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=billyjoe] I am not a lawyer, but I believe what you are saying, SPX,  would still violate at least Nevada's gaming regs. I believe  the regs state that the outcome of the game has to be similar to a game dealt from a standard deck of shuffled cards.

It definitely would violate Nevada's. It would also violate most other state gaming regulations as well. What he describes could definitely be programmed that way (they basically are for Class II games), but it would be illegal almost everywhere.
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Good point, VMan. I do want to be clear that we are talking about Class III VP machines. The Class II machines do have programming that can control the outcome, making the stated paytable meaningless with regard to the expected return on the machine.

[Tedlark]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]

  DaBurglar again you miss the point regarding the manipulation of the RNG. As spelled out in the New Jersey Gaming Regulations and posted here many times was information that the results of an RNG CANNOT be manipulated/pulled/twisted/distorted/repackaged/regurgitated/altered/adjusted/converted/renovated/reshaped/redone/refitted/retailored/modified/transformed/ammended/diluted/updated, or just plain changed in any way.    As for fun; I'm the original Mr. Fun.Your inability to properly interpret written material is your problem, as is your lack of understanding of how computer games work.    What is "the results" of an RNG?     What happens to them?   If you answer these two questions, we'll continue this pointless debate, otherwise what I said before about deliberately obtuse versus naturally obtuse kicks in......
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DaBurglar you started this pointless debate long ago. As for my comprehension skills I believe my reading is pretty good. I also have a bit of knowledge regarding RNG's and I will state again to you that; unlike the RNG of a computer game, whether it be Grand Theft IV or Frogger, the RNG of a Game of Chance cannot be manipulated as per state gaming regulations.

I reserve comment on your comprehension skills sir.

[Vman96]

I think frogger would have really sucked if it had a rng. I was terrible at that game as is.

[spxChrome]

I am not a lawyer, but I believe what you are saying, SPX,  would still violate at least Nevada's gaming regs. I believe  the regs state that the outcome of the game has to be similar to a game dealt from a standard deck of shuffled cards.

I don't think it would because it is still a random pre-deal, this is why my dealt quads are close to even across the board. It is the ending hands that do not connect mathematically, it is post deal that is not specifically mentioned. That is why their is still a debate about how cards are selected post deal because it is not printed anywhere. To me their is a loophole that is being executed by the chipmakers against the regulations.

To clarify I am not saying anyone is cheating or laws are being broken. I believe their is a loophole that is being exposed in favor of the chipmakers and the casino.

[Vman96]

[QUOTE=billyjoe] I am not a lawyer, but I believe what you are saying, SPX,  would still violate at least Nevada's gaming regs. I believe  the regs state that the outcome of the game has to be similar to a game dealt from a standard deck of shuffled cards.

I don't think it would because it is still a random pre-deal, this is why my dealt quads are close to even across the board. It is the ending hands that do not connect mathematically, it is post deal that is not specifically mentioned. That is why their is still a debate about how cards are selected post deal because it is not printed anywhere. To me their is a loophole that is being executed by the chipmakers against the regulations.

To clarify I am not saying anyone is cheating or laws are being broken. I believe their is a loophole that is being exposed in favor of the chipmakers and the casino.

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Nevada mandates "live game correlation" for electronic gaming machines that simulate live casino games. Which means video poker must behave like draw poker at a poker table, otherwise it would be illegal.

[spxChrome]

[QUOTE=spxChrome] [QUOTE=billyjoe] I am not a lawyer, but I believe what you are saying, SPX,  would still violate at least Nevada's gaming regs. I believe  the regs state that the outcome of the game has to be similar to a game dealt from a standard deck of shuffled cards.

I don't think it would because it is still a random pre-deal, this is why my dealt quads are close to even across the board. It is the ending hands that do not connect mathematically, it is post deal that is not specifically mentioned. That is why their is still a debate about how cards are selected post deal because it is not printed anywhere. To me their is a loophole that is being executed by the chipmakers against the regulations.

To clarify I am not saying anyone is cheating or laws are being broken. I believe their is a loophole that is being exposed in favor of the chipmakers and the casino.

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Nevada mandates "live game correlation" for electronic gaming machines that simulate live casino games. Which means video poker must behave like draw poker at a poker table, otherwise it would be illegal. [/QUOTE]

Any time I have played live draw poker the dealer does not continuously shuffle the cards while I am deciding on what to hold and what to discard?

[BillyJoe]

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[Vman96]

Any time I have played live draw poker the dealer does not continuously shuffle the cards while I am deciding on what to hold and what to discard?

Play on a PokerPro table?

And continously shuffling still "correlates" to a live poker game...

[spxChrome]

[QUOTE=spxChrome]
Any time I have played live draw poker the dealer does not continuously shuffle the cards while I am deciding on what to hold and what to discard?

Play on a PokerPro table?

And continously shuffling still "correlates" to a live poker game...[/QUOTE]

Only once on a cruise ship. The other Live games are with a dealer but he does not shuffle but once per hand. Even table games they don't shuffle the chute between draws or hits. But I get what you are saying just don't think they have it in the right context.