Quick Quads Strategy

[Eduardo]

No problem. I was just more curious than anything to see how someone would do.
 
Here is a hand I got that I was unsure on...
 
A A 9 T T
 
Pair of aces is always nice, A 9 T T has some quick quad odds, a full house never hurts... what is the best play on this one?

[faygo]

No problem. I was just more curious than anything to see how someone would do.
 
Here is a hand I got that I was unsure on...
 
A A 9 T T
 
Pair of aces is always nice, A 9 T T has some quick quad odds, a full house never hurts... what is the best play on this one?
 
I had something very similar. It was 66AA5. The correct hold(perSM)(which I did) was 66A5. I deduce from that Eduardo that the correct hold for your example would be A9TT.

[MikeA]

No problem. I was just more curious than anything to see how someone would do.
 
Here is a hand I got that I was unsure on...
 
A A 9 T T
 
Pair of aces is always nice, A 9 T T has some quick quad odds, a full house never hurts... what is the best play on this one?I agree with Faygo on the TT9A hold.  There are no Ace Pair options above that Pair 5-10/QQ Duo hold for a 2.3404 ER.  An Ace pair is 2.0279 and two pair is 1.6809.  Clearly, holding for the QQ is the best on that hand.Usually, it is the best hold unless you have trips or a 4-card straight flush draw or a pat hand.Notice that as SM pointed out a week or so ago, Trip ANYTHING below Jacks (including Aces) is a better hold than a pat/dealt flush!  That's how powerful that 260 min payback is for the QQ's!

[Eduardo]

Well, I did hold the TT9A, and I did hit a quick quad on it.

[cddenver]

Well, I did hold the TT9A, and I did hit a quick quad on it.
 
Same here.  Never thought that I'd see the day when I'd drop a pair of Aces to go for quad 10's.  Go figger.  I'll scream the first time I do that on a for-real machine playing a straight DB/DDB game.
 
 
 

[faygo]

[QUOTE=Eduardo]Well, I did hold the TT9A, and I did hit a quick quad on it.
 
Same here.  Never thought that I'd see the day when I'd drop a pair of Aces to go for quad 10's.  Go figger.  I'll scream the first time I do that on a for-real machine playing a straight DB/DDB game.
 
 
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Here is the test. Go play Mono-Line DDB and when you get a pair try to keep your mind from adding up the other cards in the hand.

[MikeA]

Here is the test. Go play Mono-Line DDB and when you get a pair try to keep your mind from adding up the other cards in the hand.I can't Faygo.  Once I learned to count cards playing blackjack, I could no more help doing it than I could help breathing!  It was a long time before I could sit down and play without counting.  I still catch myself doing it every once in a while.It's the same way with single line now while playing DDB.  Can't help but evaluate for QQ holds.  So far, I don't THINK I've actually held for QQ though.

[shadowman]

I see the QQs all the time playing in a casino. Usually lasts about 10 minutes before I quit looking for them.

[MikeA]

I see the QQs all the time playing in a casino. Usually lasts about 10 minutes before I quit looking for them.For all the luck I had yesterday, it sure went out the window after my first round early this morning.  I've gone through 2000 credits with nothing but "accidental" QQs and very darn few of those!Nothing but one straight flush in Single Line.  No quads at all.  Rough day for Virtual VP!I MAY see them for the first time tomorrow night.  I'm stopping about half way to Little Rock a a little town called Roland, Oklahoma.  There is an Indian Casino right next door to the hotel so I'll probably slip over there to get something to eat and maybe watch the locals playing Ante Blackjack!  I'll check out the VP but I know there are no full pay machines in Oklahoma.  Well, you might count 9/6 Job on a couple of machines, but none of the bonus games are even close to full pay.  Quarter denomination too.  But I sure see the QQ combos when playing single line here.

[Webman]

A little bird just dropped these on my desk.  I believe these are the official numbers.9/6 DDB on QQ 






6 coins
Probability
Pay
EndCounts
Odds to 1


NA
0.55874392
0
1452153.09
1.7897


J+
0.21085922
5
548014.68
4.7425


2P
0.12233585
5
317945.97
8.1742


3K
0.06884831
15
178934
14.5247


ST
0.01157025
20
30070.63
86.4285


FL
0.01139747
30
29621.58
87.7387


FH
0.0098283
45
25543.36
101.747


4K
0.00482722
260
12545.76
207.1585


234-
0.00105343
400
2737.83
949.2781


ACE-
0.00017182
1000
446.55
5820.0677


234+
0.00016969
1000
441.02
5893.1149


ACE+
0.00006108
2000
158.75
16371.5699


SF
0.00010905
250
283.41
9170.1837


RF
0.00002439
4000
63.38
41005.3117

6 coin variance in total player revenue                  1500.57076 coin std dev in total player revenue                    38.73726 coins std dev in game return per coin wagered   6.4562Game Return with 6th coin wagered                      0.99653928