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Re: hot /cold machines

Post by royal flush »

did you get the burittos at the rio buffet

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Post by rolanddude »

Eduardo,
First, If you are 275 pounds... then you must be totally full of crap!
 
Cd,
I haven't seen any proof from Dick about his system or his results.  So these two schools of thought right now are on equal footing based on your own standards of observation. 
 
If you are going to require one to prove his "hypothesis" by displaying all his steps to achieve his stated results then you MUST require the same for the other party involved.  This is how you constantly argue your side...  That's why I commented on the Hypocrisy in this forum.  (not to mention back-stabbing in PMs)  Simply put...  If you require visable proof, then require BOTH sides to provide it...  And don't let some hide in the SHADOWS of the statements like "the math has been settled"!!!  PROVE THAT YOUR WINNINGS ARE FROM THE METHODS YOU EMPLOY... using REALITY instead of mathematically induced "in-the-long-term" BS of course! 
 

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Post by royal flush »

answer me this the casinos have downgraded most vp machines as they are in business to beat the players so the casinos know that math always prevails in the "long run" which the casinos are in it for the long run thats why profitable vp is getting harder to find why i play more live poker to get an edge not over the casinos but the weaker playing tourists as i used to play 21 profesionally then vp which has mostly played itself out

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Post by Eduardo »

If you jump off a bridge, math can tell you how long it will take to hit the bottom. Please don't jump to find out, trust the math.

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Shadow,
Maybe if this was a perfect world and "math" is the foundation of reality you could explain to me why we all have to put an extra day in the calendar every 4 years (Feb. 29).  This is just a simple example of how not even "Math" can make things come out equal.  Even adding a day every 4 years is off a few thousandths of a second.  The "reality" is that we can get close to perfect with math but we cannot attain perfection by using and applying it to anything and everything.  (splitting hairs here,...but I'm just saying...what's a thousandth, millionth, or less amongst friends?)  Our very existence now is based on so many random acts within this galaxy that to ever imagine that it is possible to formulate a mathematical equation that is the foundation for "reality" is not only ludicrous, but naive as well.  Hell Dick, even Mr. Spock from Star Trek would summarize your statement as "Illogical".
 
(My apologies to Webman again for mentioning something that "may" cause someone to indirectly profit from the mentioning of an industry such as Star Trek and maybe inducing someone here to attend their convention in Vegas so as someone reading this may benefit from it.)


 
Is this a real question or are just trying to show your ignorance?  I think a little trip back to the 6th grade might help out here.
 
One of the reasons I state that VP is very simple math is that it can be described using simple integers. All hands are comprised of 5 cards, there are 2,598,960 possible hands, there are 32 possible combinations of 5 cards. See anything but integers in there? Nope, that's why it's so easy to develop a strategy. No quantum mechanics required.
 
Most of the world is not as simple as VP which means nothing in this discussion. Now, show me how to beat tic-tac-toe ... maybe Spock could help you out. 
 
BTW, nobody ever said there was a mathematical equation that is the foundation of reality (other than the number 42). Only that math itself is the foundation. If you took a second to think about it you'd realize that math was invented to describe reality. The number "2" came about in an attempt to describe what you get when you combine like things together.
 
You're attempts to scramble out of the mess you're in are getting humorous, please give it another try. I needed a good laugh on a rainy day like today.

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Post by shadowman »

[QUOTE=faygo][QUOTE=Eduardo]Math is not always right. If i weigh 275 pounds and I eat 5 pounds of burritos, will I weigh 280 pounds? I think not!
 
I think in the short term you might spike to 280 but not in the long term.[/QUOTE]


 
So the secret is to cash out before you visit the restroom?[/QUOTE]


 
Now I know where RD gets his ideas. 

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Post by Eduardo »

It really is funny how every critic of AP ends up getting away from simple cards and instead turns into a philosopher.
 
After reading Oedipus, every time I get a King and a Queen on the deal, I think of my mother and throw away the King.

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Post by royal flush »

rd would say AQQQ coming next four cards

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Post by shadowman »

I haven't seen any proof from Dick about his system or his results.  So these two schools of thought right now are on equal footing based on your own standards of observation.   


 
It's not "my system". It's simple math applied to the game called VP and was developed before I ever started playing by professional mathematicians. Once you understand the concept, developing expert play strategies takes no more than a couple hundred lines of code in a program. Doing it in a reasonable time takes a little more effort but is not appropo to the issue.
 
I'll give you the simple version:
 
1) Analyze all 2,598,960 hands by checking all 32 possible holds.
2) To analyze each hold analyze all possible draws for that hold by totalling all the winning results.
3) Store away the best hold (highest total) for all the hands.
4) Whenever you are dealt a particular hand, use the hold that was stored away.
 
That's all it takes. Of course, it turns out we don't have to memorize all 2,598,960 hands since many of them are duplicates. We usually end up with a few dozen rules that perfectly describe an optimal strategy.
 
There you have it. Proof by example. QED.

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Post by Eduardo »

Did you know that a sequential royal flush goes the opposite direction south of the equator?

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