The magic number seems to be 2010

[FAA]

Car, I'm also about even 2015. $800? Even more ahgast now. Cash I won on a Sun barely got warm in my wallet before boomeranging to same venue. Running in place. Beating on my free simulation. No royal and lost 65% of my bankroll after 37,000 hands. 9/6 JOB indeed. 

[Carcounter]

Yeah, lucky for me I hit a $2,000 .50 royal 2 weeks ago, or I'd be down that amount for the year. We all have different bankrolls, so the amount we wager can be significantly different and our tolerances for losing certain amounts can vary greatly. $ 800 is a significant loss for me, but not devastating. I actually belong to the Bob Dancer school of playing the best games and not worrying about today's score. I have found that things generally run as they are supposed to in the long run. But if you are over-royaled for the year, you win, if not you lose. SDB is 99.69 % payback, I practice on VPW and get what I believe is .125% cashback and .250% comp dollars, so I'm fine with that.

[FAA]

SDB is 99.69 % payback.Wow. I'm playing JOB for high payout and low variance. May be the wrong game. Wonder what your variance is. It definitely appears to be much more fun. I am royaled about right. One this year and certainly cannot expect any more. I eke out about a thousand hands a visit. 

[Tedlark]

Yeah, lucky for me I hit a $2,000 .50 royal 2 weeks ago, or I'd be down that amount for the year. We all have different bankrolls, so the amount we wager can be significantly different and our tolerances for losing certain amounts can vary greatly. $ 800 is a significant loss for me, but not devastating. I actually belong to the Bob Dancer school of playing the best games and not worrying about today's score. I have found that things generally run as they are supposed to in the long run. But if you are over-royaled for the year, you win, if not you lose. SDB is 99.69 % payback, I practice on VPW and get what I believe is .125% cashback and .250% comp dollars, so I'm fine with that.


Car you so much more fit the definition of Advantage Player than I do. I am the poster boy for Recreational Player.

[Vman96]

I never responded to this before as I was preoccupied with Vegas and writing up a TR at the time it was posted but some thoughts since it got bumped...

There are threads almost exactly like this one in the archives. My opinion is laid out there, but I'll repeat it.

When people start out at VP and do bad, many of them quit. Therefore, a higher percentage of the players that continue to play are those that were lucky.

Eventually, the luck turns and those players start doing poorly. They are doing nothing differently so they end up thinking it is the casino that has made a change.

I've heard comments about "the machines not paying like they used to" over and over again for years. You can always find a group that believe exactly that in any casino.

Meanwhile, there is always a group of new players starting the cycle over again.

As for myself. I've experienced good and bad streaks that have lasted months, even a year plus. However, the streaks always end.


I think this is a bigger factor than most people realize, especially on here. People will mistake "good luck" for the "way it's supposed it be".

Of course I'm a true degenerate. I definitely lost when I began gambling, and still stuck at it.   

My luckiest results were definitely not long ago. It was 2012 with two royals (one dealt), 4 Deuces w/5X at nickels, and 4 2s w/4X at DDB at quarters. The dealt royal was on one of those "new machines" most people moan about on here. It existed at Flamingo for less than 6 months when I hit the Royal and it's still in the same spot.

I don't feel like the new machines give me significantly worse results than the older machines. But my samples are also small enough where my results are a poor judge anyway. I probably play anywhere between 40k and 60k hands in a year. Even 2.5 years without a Royal is still quite feasible!   

[olds442jetaway]

I might agree with Shadowman if I and a few others here didn't have such a large sample and they feel the same way as I do. My sample alone since 2010 is over 5 million hands. A few others that have posted also have samples in that amount or more. If the rng chips are not different than years ago, then imo these results seem to come from the fact that we are dealing with infinity being the long run. Nobody lives long enough or plays long enough to approach long term results. However, years ago, you could always count on a comeback in the next trip or two after a particularly bad outing. I found it to be this way for at least 18 years prior to 2010. Back then, I didn't even approach perfect play like now. I mostly played 96% machines and lower denomination machines. Like Phil and others say, something feels different you just cannot put it into words.

[Carcounter]

I had a bad feeling about the new server based machines and then I hit 2 royals within a few weeks of each other, but I understand why everyone is skeptical. I was running bad on them until those hits and then as I previously posted lost $800 last Friday in about 3 hrs. on .50 and $1.00 SDB. Only got 2 non premium quads in that time. I'm thinking of going back to the 9/6 JOB slant tops tomorrow. Problem is on Fridays at the Borgata, you gotta get there early or the machines will be taken. As far as the volatility of SDB vs. JOB,SDB certainly is much more volatile and does make me question whether the 99.69 vs. 99.5 payback difference is worth it. The problem is those premium quads are exciting to get and there are a lot of them. Aces are $400, Kings, Queens, Jacks are $300 and 2's, 3's 4's are $200at .50 level.That's 7 premium quads out of 13 cards in the deck.

[Vman96]

Definitely a lot more volatility with Super Double Bonus. But considering my g/f and I have each hit four aces in much less than 1k hands total (I honestly think our only quads on the game lifetime), we both like the game. Unfortunately they were both only at the nickel level.

As for me, I tend to cringe on giving up more than 0.2% equity in exchange for lower a variance game on the same machine. However in borgata's case, I'd happily play 9/6 JoB on a bartop than 9/5 SDB on the floor.

Good luck if you play today!

[Carcounter]

Thanks, They also have SDB at the B-Bar which are slant tops.

[Carcounter]

Ted, Looks like there are some good $1.00 games at Hollywood Joliet. 99.5% plus games. Don't know about your cashback/comp dollar situation there or denoms lower than that.