RNG Experiment

[kjohn]

the casinos DO NOT program the machines. That is done by the machine manufacturers like IGT. The machine chips are sealed,OK Shadowman.  I agree the casinos don't program machines.  They don't have Tech program experts on their payroll, BUT if the manufactures, such as IGT (I'm a stock holder) program the chips, which they do, than what is to keep them from legally selling chips that have certain win or loss scenarios built in.  So lets say the casino says we need x no. of chips
that will never hit a royal and x no. that will never hit the  AAAA.    Wouldn't this be legal as long as the chip had an RNG for all the other hands?  I certainly believe in the RNG technology but I also feel that IGT can program the chips in verious ways to hit or not hit certain plays or at least only after so many plays and still be within the requirements of the gaming commision.....  

[faygo]

Every hand that can be obtained from a deck of 52 cards(53 w/joker) must appear once and only once in the RNG. The manufactures are covered by the same laws as the Casinos. By all things Holy why would they risk their lively hood.
I don't know why this  programming issue keeps showing up. It has a life like an "Urban Ledgend".

[faygo]

I will be packing some heat.
 
I'm assuming hand warmers, here.

[kjohn]

It probably keeps cropping up because casinos still have a reputation of
being on the shady side.  At least for my generation.   SO where are these laws
written?   Can you do a goggle search for laws concerning the regulations of
slot and VP machines?  If someone could actually show the law  that would put an
end to the discussion once and for all.
 
Are Indian casinos regulated by the same laws?  I don't think so, at least
not in Oklahoma.   Ever since I was playing a machine in Miami Ok. at some
Podunk smoke filled rat trap of a casino, and it actually dealt me TWO jacks of
clubs I've had my doubts.  I did catch it and called over someone who just shut
down the machine.  I never went there again, but it did indicate that some
monkey business could occur. 

[scorpio2]

i'm back in.kjohn you have something there,it's not programming the machines to hit 95-100% over a year,it's programming them not to hit,in between a year.no wonder einstein didn't go to casinos.

[oej719]

einstien? oneofrobbiesfavoriteterms. andheisnoeinstien.notevenclose.

[cddenver]

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It probably keeps cropping up because casinos still have a reputation of being on the shady side.  At least for my generation.   SO where are these laws written?   Can you do a goggle search for laws concerning the regulations of slot and VP machines?  If someone could actually show the law  that would put an end to the discussion once and for all.
 
Ask and ye shall receive.  Every state that allows gaming has their regs online, you can start by going to your state government's home page.  Here's a link to the Nevada Gaming Commission's main page.  
 
http://gaming.nv.gov/
 
On that page there's a link for the gaming statutes and regulations.  Click on that and a list of links comes up listing the different sections of the regulations.   Section 14 has the randomness requirements; I've copied some of it - not ALL of it - here:
 
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14.040  Minimum standards for gaming devices.  

 
17.  “Randomness” is the observed unpredictability and absence of pattern in a set of elements or events that have definite probabilities of occurrence.
 
2.  Must use a random selection process to determine the game outcome of each play of a game. The random selection process must meet 95 percent confidence limits using a standard chi-squared test for goodness of fit.

[faygo]

kjohn, the following link is for Nevada Gaming Regulations. I believe you will find what you need there. There regulations also apply to machines built in Nevada for export to other jurisdictions.
 
http://gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs.htm

[kjohn]

You guys are amazing.....A bunch of sharp computer savvy guru's....Thank you.  That answered another question of mine also...Switch from $.25 to $1.00 on a multi denomination game and the chances are the same....Live and learn....Thanks for the input...I'll quit being such a skeptic and attributing my losses to some man in a dark suit in the back room....

[scorpio2]

ap gurus great.actually i was thinking of the casino in mexico,harrahs,or was it holiday inn,anyway they used to have slots.