hot /cold machines

[shadowman]

If anyone should know it is someone like you Dick that plays virtually all the time. 


 
Now, why would you think that RD? As far as I know only one person has ever claimed I played "all the time" and even he knows that is a lie. Are you being spoon fed the content for your posts again?
 

[Eduardo]

I will trust rolan when it comes to music and shadowman when it comes to VP. No offense to either of you.

[shadowman]

I will trust rolan when it comes to music and shadowman when it comes to VP. No offense to either of you.

 
Hey big guy, how are those burritos sitting? Oh, and thanks for the vote of confidence.

[rolanddude]

Show the Forum your results Archimedes/Shadowman.  Prove to us what you preach about.  Show us, don't tell us,  that we are wrong..  Show us what you do to win at VP.  Not the usual ramblings about find paytables, apply expert plays, etc.
 
Show me the results that 100% payback games actually give to an "expert"  player that makes NO mistakes after playing ALL WEEKEND. 
 
It is FantasyLand!!!  You can't show it because NOBODY can.  I played for years and lost tens of thousands of dollars playing FPDW, NSU, and 10/7 DB.  I could have fully paid for all of my "comped" winnings and truly been WAY ahead.  You guys are all hypocrits about this.  I don't care who you think you are in the VP world... None of you guys are even remotely ahead playing the machines like you do.  PROVE ME WRONG!!  Tell us what, where, when, and exactly how.  Not vague references to just following the "math" and being aware of obscure promotions that "Johnny's Saloon" is having in the backwoods of  Tunica, Mississippi.
 
You say you have the answers on here... PROVE IT!!!  It is my prediction that you will stay vague, misdirect the conversation to other minor points in this discourse, and overall still claim that you have answered these questions to anyone's reasonable satisfaction. 
 
You will say to just look at the math/probabilities/long-term expectations/bonus promos/paytables/..........etc.  You will all claim "another" victory over Short Term playing methods notwithstanding the fact that you cannot back-up your methods other than to instruct us on how to run a simulation to give us an example of what to "expect". 
 
I don't want to see sim results...  I WANT TO SEE YOUR RESULTS...
 
A CHALLENGE FOR YOU SHADOWMAN 
 
I will fly to meet you at your convenience and go with you to any casino you choose and watch you at work.  I will stay up to a week with you and document your results each day.  You can play as much as you want and put your money where your mouth is.  If you are able to prove that a player can play with an advantage and actually show a cash profit over a weeks time then you will be heralded as what you claim... A VP Expert Player who has profited the last 8 years playing this way.  I will shoot video clips each day and keep the forum here updated with your progress through my video posts if you would like.  So what do you say Dick?  Up for the Challenge?  PROVE YOURSELF!!!  

[Eduardo]

Hey big guy, how are those burritos sitting?


 
I think I've invented a new weight loss program. It was only 5 pounds going in, but more like 15 coming out. 200% return on deuces.

[royal flush]

rolanddude can play 6/5 job and be fine as he does not care about vp as he is just selling his video/tapes so if you buy some he can pay all the vp he wants blindfolded as he profited for selling his tapes. thats why math does not matter to him as you all can buy some tapes so to contiounsly replenish his bankroll

[Eduardo]

i did not see any tapes for sale.

[shadowman]

 
A CHALLENGE FOR YOU SHADOWMAN 
 
I will fly to meet you at your convenience and go with you to any casino you choose and watch you at work.  I will stay up to a week with you and document your results each day.  You can play as much as you want and put your money where your mouth is.  If you are able to prove that a player can play with an advantage and actually show a cash profit over a weeks time then you will be heralded as what you claim... A VP Expert Player who has profited the last 8 years playing this way.  I will shoot video clips each day and keep the forum here updated with your progress through my video posts if you would like.  So what do you say Dick?  Up for the Challenge?  PROVE YOURSELF!!!  


 
I'm still waiting for you to prove you can beat tic-tac-toe ... still waiting. tick tock, tick tock. Come one, RD show us the way. Show us a short term strategy that wins at tic-tac-toe.
 
Jump on a plane and bring your tic-tac-toe short term strategy and I'll let you go first every time (or last, your choice). Show us you can beat the math. Use any strategy you want. We can videotape every game. The variance on tic-tac-toe is very low so we should be able to approach the long term in less than a week.
 
Got anymore nonsense to post, RD?
 
I showed my pure gambling results for the last 4 quarters (if anyone missed it, it was lose, win, lose, win). So, how would a single week tell anybody anything when an entire 3 month period can go either way? Obviously, it wouldn't mean a thing. I could win big and it still wouldn't prove anything.
 
The variance on the game I play, OEJs, is close to DDB so the math tells us I would have to play over 100K hands at this game to come within one standard deviation of my expected return. I don't play over 100K hands in a week, or even a month, that's why I lose some quarters.
 
So, why would anyone bring this up at all? Simple, it is a silly attempt to move the discussion away from the pure mathematics that is unquestionable. This is what con men do. Are you a con man, RD?
 
PS. I'm playing tomorrow morning. Treasure Island casino in MN. Probably be there next Tuesday as well.
 

[rolanddude]

Rolanddude ... It is my prediction that you will stay vague, misdirect the conversation to other minor points in this discourse, and overall still claim that you have answered these questions to anyone's reasonable satisfaction. 
 
Shadowman... 
I'm still waiting for you to prove you can beat tic-tac-toe ... still waiting. tick tock, tick tock. Come one, RD show us the way. Show us a short term strategy that wins at tic-tac-toe.
 
As predicted... duck, dodge, misdirect... you should be an Obama Strategist.  In case I have missed something, I don't remember telling the forum that I have been beating "tic-tac-toe".  You however have boasted that you have won each of the last eight years.  If you insist though, here is my strategy (this is all a farce of course, I will play along)  I would approach the game differently from those who are "boxed-in" to a way of thinking and playing.  Instead of playing the typical back and forth x's and o's, I would only agree to play if I always go first and we both get to mark 2 squares each turn.  I would NEVER lose with my system. (always mark the top corners first)  This way the game would last a shorter amount of time and the result would be that I always win.  Something that you would never attain one mark at a time. (you would have to wait on the long term probability that someone will eventually make a mistake using conventional rules and you could take advantage of this and win once in a great while)  you wouldn't mind this though since you are used to waiting on that "once in a great while" hit to attain any sense of being close to a positive cash situation in VP...  THE PRIMARY SUBJECT OF THIS FORUM...
 
now back to reality...
 
Rolanddude... You will say to just look at the math/probabilities/long-term expectations...
 
Shadowman...So, how would a single week tell anybody anything when an entire 3 month period can go either way? Obviously, it wouldn't mean a thing. I could win big and it still wouldn't prove anything...
 
The variance on the game I play, OEJs, is close to DDB so the math tells us I would have to play over 100K hands at this game to come within one standard deviation of my expected return. I don't play over 100K hands in a week, or even a month, that's why I lose some quarters.
 
Wow!  I'm batting a perfect 2 for 2 (more on baseball in a minute).  I already knew that you would not back up anything that you claim to do on here.  You blame your losing quarters (3 months) on not being able to play over 100k hands to attain something close to what you call one standard deviation.   Sounds like more mumbo-jumbo being "engineered" to make you feel better about losing.
 
Rolanddude...Not vague references to just following the "math" ...
 
Shadowman...Simple, it is a silly attempt to move the discussion away from the pure mathematics that is unquestionable. 
Oh my God!!  3 for 3 ... all hit out of the park!!  The above statement from Shadowman is his "time to run and hide behind something" moment.  He chooses to ALWAYS hide behind his adherence to "pure math" which is "purely unattainable".
I'll try to book an available flight into St. Paul if I can.  If I can't be there tomorrow... Good Luck while playing.  Tomorrow is the last day of Treasure Island's Points Promo in which you can redeem 10,000 points for 2 tickets to a Twins game.  (The top award)  In case you have run thru the $50,000 necessary to attain this many points then I can help you out as to the value of your promo prize so you can add that amount to your end result and see if you break even...  IF the tickets are HOME PLATE BOX SEATS (some of the best for Twin's games) they are worth $59 dollars each.  I doubt the seats that are being given away are this good so I would count on the $25 dollar seats as your probable gift reward.  Whoo Hooo!  Swimming Pools and Movie Stars!!!  If you do collect and have a choice of dates... choose Tuesday the 27th... It is tote bag giveaway night against the Tigers.  You can add another $5 to your "Standard Deviation" total.
 
Let us know exactly which "One-eyed Jacks" game you play and how much you lose... I mean let us know how close you are getting to one standard deviation... Take a picture with your hand-pay slot attendant when you hit a couple.  Looking forward to hearing about your result...
 
My guess... It will be another losing mile walked on that long road towards expectation. 
 
Pathetic!!! 

[Eduardo]

wow rolan, you really went from cordial to angry and offensive fast today. whatever happened to change your tone i hope it gets better for you soon.