DDB training mode give incorrect information?

[SlayerAAAA]

I recently purchased the training mode game for my iPhone mobile...specifically using single hand Double Double Bonus Poker and the trainer I think is teaching me to play wrong? It is telling me to hold hands like K T 4 suited or K T 7 all of the same suit. See picture of where it is telling me YES it is correct to hold K T 6 of spades. If I don't hold those cards then it gongs me as not playing correctly. Am I suppose to hold those hands in DDB?

[SlayerAAAA]

will post answer from tech support below...learn something new every day and surprised at the result:

KT6 is the correct hold for DDB 9/6 when you are dealt

Ks Ts 6s 5c 7d

The expected return value for holding the 3 spades is 2.10915
The expected return value for holding the Ks Ts is 2.107

So, it is very close.

If you were playing DDB 9/5 the best hold is to hold the King only

This is playing against perfect play mathematically correct.
Looking at the strategy cards for this game, the 3 to a flush KTx is higher than the KT in the strategy card

37     FL3 1h'KTx'
38     RF2 'KT'; 'QT'

[spxChrome]

Yea some of these I don't get like in 9/7 TDB it tells you to toss a high pair for a flush draw. Like Jh Js 5h 2h 9h. It tosses the paying pair or you take a 5% loss. This is where I question what is really considered long term. Do most of us even play enough hands to consider long term effects?

[EDC1977]

I likely give away % coins because I would only hold KT suited. I would hold all 3 if the paytable was 10/6 though. I know it's likely wrong but I've played this way for years and can say I hold my own with this strategy. I don't preach to play this way nor would I change to playing how the trainer says. Just my two cents worth.

[Vman96]

Yea some of these I don't get like in 9/7 TDB it tells you to toss a high pair for a flush draw. Like Jh Js 5h 2h 9h. It tosses the paying pair or you take a 5% loss. This is where I question what is really considered long term. Do most of us even play enough hands to consider long term effects?


You'll definitely feel the effects pretty fast if you hold KK-JJ over a 4 flush in 9/7 TDB because the flush pays 7 for 1! You make a flush 9/47. So that means the value of the flush draw is 9/47 x 7 = 1.3404 alone. You also have 2 of the remaining high cards left to get Jacks or better back. 2/47 x 1 = 0.042553. So that gives the hand a value of 65/47 = 1.383 units.

But holding the pair in TDB is weaker because trips only pay 2 for 1. The 2 for 1 is a pretty big factor here that 99% of players in TDB ignore. I've seen people break Kings, Queens, and Jacks up in TDB too. A BIG mistake since trips are only 2 for 1.

[spxChrome]

yea makes sense with the 2 for 1 on the trips. I do play the flush cause that's the way I learned it and it just habit nowadays. But for a short term player I think they will play the pair. TDB is not for the faint of heart that's for sure.

[Vman96]

TDB is not for the faint of heart that's for sure.

It surely isn't. Fortunately in my personal experience, I have yet found a place that offered 9/7 TDB as their best game without also offering 9/6 JoB. I snap take 9/6 JoB in that case for variance sake. Billyjoe must have a stomach of iron or something.

[olds442jetaway]

[QUOTE=spxChrome]TDB is not for the faint of heart that's for sure.

It surely isn't. Fortunately in my personal experience, I have yet found a place that offered 9/7 TDB as their best game without also offering 9/6 JoB. I snap take 9/6 JoB in that case for variance sake. Billyjoe must have a stomach of iron or something.[/QUOTE]

     That's what the girls say... ...

[DaBurglar]

Billyjooe is simply a wealthy gentleman riding into his sunset years and does not have the same concern as most of us if he suffers losses that some of us would find unpalatable.....thats all.   I am not saying he wants to lose or does not care, but his fun is going for the bigger payoffs in TDB in exchange for the higher losses on the lower ranking hands.    He gets his maximum FUN/Utility from this....I personally understand the strategy behind TDB, but I rarely play it, except once in a blue moon on Dreamcard (single line, when I can find it on the now missing Five Star machines in AC....Caesars dumped the four they had when they "upgraded" their whole video poker inventory....bahhh!)     In one two month period (April & May 2012) I had a huge run on one of the five star machines that used to reside in the Caesars AC area by the horsey parlor.....I played TDB (25 cent) and Bonus Poker Deluxe and actually racked up about 2300 bucks in profit over this stretch, along with a crapload or RCs since I was betting 10 credits per hand very rapidly.  Two other people I know and played with (a cousin and a friend) also has huge success on one of the other machines out of the lot of four during this exact same period....And then literally starting june 1, 2012, the five star machine(s) went as cold as you can imagine for all three of us at the same time....it was ridiculous, the dreamcard games started eating our money, and when the dreaqmcard activated, you got literally garbage.   If I had not been the victim I might have laughed at how bad they became after being so generous.     Oh sure I know, the gaming regs and the ubiquitous gaming authorities would never let us get screwed, oh no....not like Caesars went in and set some different values into some important field variables and let us be slaughtered, oh no.......that would never happen right?   The machine itself just automatically kicked in and said "okay, I paid these guys off the last two months, so now they are ready to be fleeced for MORE money than I gave them, but I will have to do it FAST so they dont have a chance to do the proverbial "QUIT while they are still ahead MOVE"  nyuk nyuk nyuk  Buwahahaha