RG generates how many __ 's from beg to end?

[life_fanatic]

helloooooooo all, i am new here and i am glad that this site has forums. i have many questions that i cannot find answers for even after i searched your data base or elsewhere on the web. i have read many of your video poker posts and have enjoyed reading the responses. if my questions have been answered here please refer me to the link so that i do not waste your time. i am asking about JOB 9/6. 1. how many of the higher paying hands, such as RF, SF, 4 of a kind are there if you played all of the possible hands? i see lists of %'s but it does not mean anything to me. how many possible hands are there, before the generator turns over? how does the generator know when to turn over? 2. why if it is a random generator can i manipulate it to bring up the cards that will pay off? for example, as i play i see cards in pairs showing up, if i play to keep pairs ( yes, if something better is showing i work on it) but if i keep playing those pairs, within so many hands i get 4 of them. it happens often on 4 different machines that i play. sometimes i get the same 4  3-4x. example, one day i got 4 aces 4x, plus 4 8's 4x, plus 4 kings 4x, plus, plus. it was an awesome day, but other days it happens as well. now if only i could get the RF to come up as often. i can manipulate DB and DDB as well.  3. i usually play $1.25 max. but i often wonder, when it is rolling with me, if i changed to $2.50 or $5.00 max if i would be playing the same random generator or does each dollar amount or another game such as DB or DDB have a different RG than the one that i was manipulating? i did notice, that if i left the machine to get a coffee and forgot to leave 4 cents in the machine, when i came back to play, and had to put money in, and i pushed the max, it was as if i was at a different starting point. i also see that if you are playing and nothing is coming up and you singularly restart 1 to 5 coins or use the max button, you get a different starting point and if that does not start to pay you, you continue to restart as i mentioned before, eventually paying hands come up. i think i just answered my changing dollar amount question. ( if i changed to a higher dollar amount when i start to play it will not be on the same RG that i left.) ... (when things start to roll, why do i always have to go to the ladies room? if i leave i am not sure if the RG will be where i left off ... soooooooo many times i am dying to run but i squirm majestically until it is almost to late! hopefully that is not tmi (too much info) lol .... 4. could it be that i can manipulate the RG because many of the players do not "play" the game they just "restart" in many different ways to see if they can get the big winner. it does work for them though ... i can tell you i have seen players sit next to me, and win within $10 dollars a RF or 5 of a kind on jokers wild or 4 deuces on deuces wild. if they don't then they move to a different game on the machine or to a different machine. when i go i see the same people playing this way every time. myself i enjoy spending hours and hours playing the game correctly. ( i did try their way a couple of times, mostly nothing ... one day i got the 5 of a kind on jokers wild, i was ecstatic! but the no pay off happens too often. i have other questions, but i will ask them later .... i think this is enough for today ..... i pre thank-you for reading and hopefully responding. p.s. even though i can manipulate the RG i get so involved in playing and trying to get the RF, that i lose more than i win, also by only playing $1.25 max, it sucks up the wins quickly, but i guess that at $5 a draw i would be going home much sooner... and yes, i am working on keeping the wins and exiting.

[Eduardo]

Can you give examples of the expected frequency of a certain event (4 of a kind, or a certain number coming in pairs) and the frequency you have seen on it by "manipulating" the rng, and how many samples your data represents?

You make it sound like you have a reliable system, but by the nature of your questions, I do think you have a lot to learn about the game and that you are probably not qualified to recognize the events you are describing as "manipulated."

In other words, I think you are seeing coincidences and just recognizing events that seem to stand out to you, seeming like a pattern but fitting well within the world of true randomness.

Instead of 7's coming up 50% more often, maybe you are just 50% more likely to pay attention to a 7 when you are looking for it. I'm sure there is some scientific name for this sort of thing.

If you really think you are on to something, start keeping detailed records so people with mathematical knowledge of the game can comment on the odds of what you're seeing, and more importantly so they can duplicate it themselves in the casino and help your case.

[Eduardo]

Also to answer your more simple question of how many ______ there are in a cycle, a program like video poker for winners will tell you that. It is different for every game out there so you would need to post a particular pay table if you want an exact answer.

[life_fanatic]

in my first post in the first paragraph i referred to Game King's game of Jacks or Better, 9/6. someone i know thinks that you multiply 1x2 x3 x4 x5 and you will come up with how many of 4 of a kind that you could get. 1x2 x3 x4 x5 = 120 sets. i am wondering if that is true or not. how does someone calculate how many RF, SF, 4 of a kind etc that  are in JOB 9/6 from beginning to the end of the total hands. and again how many total hands are there before it starts all over again. if someone is playing a 4 deck blackjack game at the live tables they would know how many aces etc were available and if they were a card counter, how many were left as the game was played. so i want to know how many top paying hands there are to know more about the game i play. i will start keeping track of what happens when, when i play so that it is more factual. i play for 4 hrs to 12 hrs at a time on 1 - 4  machines. if i get on a machine that i cannot "manipulate" i move to another machine. i think that because so many people" restart "the game in one way or another or do not use a "system" or are not "consistent"  and they only play for the RF, SF, 4 aces, they leave a lot of winners for the person who is consistent. many times as i was winning 4 of a kind after 4 of a kind i started to write them down, because it was so exciting to see what came and how many times it came! but i threw the paper away when i got home. people who sit next to me rarely win time after time, but they are always saying "good 4 you" and i reply by saying "may we both have grrreat luck today!"  i read somewhere about each spot of the 5 slots can only return 1 of the 51 cards remaining, when you redraw after holding. but somehow as i play, even though i won 4 nines twice the 9's still start showing up and so don't the other pairs that i already won 2-3 times. and eventually i hit them again. it is so intriguing for me that it is hard for me to leave. again, i would be waaaay better off if i left sooner.i started playing video poker last Nov 2013, i played the free training video poker games online and read as much as i could about other peoples strategies for JOB, DBJOB, and DDBJOB online. i have won 4 RF and one 5 of a kind on Jokers wild. i have won a couple of 4 AWAK, 4 aces on Hot Aces?, 5 SF and many many many 4 of a kind.thank-you for responding, i will try to monitor as i play.

[Eduardo]

There is no way to "restart." Or more accurately there is no way NOT to restart. Every deal is reshuffled and not based on what happened before.

It isn't like 4 deck blackjack. It is like 1 deck poker that is shuffled after every hand.

Sorry I missed your note about 9/6 JB.

That is easy...

Pay, Frequency, Odds, Occurs

4000     64.34575     0.002     40,390.55
250     284.08995     0.011     9,148.37
125     6,140.16174     0.236     423.27
45     29,919.76638     1.151     86.86
30     28,626.27343     1.101     90.79
20     29,184.67629     1.123     89.05
15     193,489.18964     7.445     13.43
10     335,990.69639     12.928     7.74
5     557,697.91249     21.459     4.66
0     1,417,562.88795     54.543     1.83

The rng does not "turn over" after it has played all hands. It is constantly shuffled.

[BillyJoe]

It is not possible to manipulate the RNG. It generates numbers at the speed of electricity, continuously, with frequent "seeding" in the process. The number of selections I have heard is analogous to a line of bricks laid end to end from LA to NYC.

The opportunity for a pattern to be identified is impossible. Whatever sequence that may have occured at some point will not be repeated within any reasonable playing period.

[Eduardo]

Unless you turn your hat backwards and count to three before each draw.

[pokerforme]

And this entire time I am walking around with tin foil all over my hat and all I have to do is turn it backwards and count to 3!!!

[Eduardo]

And this entire time I am walking around with tin foil all over my hat and all I have to do is turn it backwards and count to 3!!!

Sometimes 4. You have to feel it out sometimes and see what's working.

[FloridaPhil]

These are good questions for a beginning player to ask. Humans see patterns in randomness and attempt to assign order to the universe.   As a player, there is no way to do anything whatsoever to the RNG.  It just sits there and randomly generates numbers, that's all it does...  On the other hand, there are some common patterns even in total randomness.   For example short runs of good hands followed by short runs of bad hands are common, especially in wild card games.  No one knows why, it just happens that way.  If you are serious about video poker I suggest you read all you can on the subject.  Here are a few books you may find helpful.  They are not in any particular order.

Video Poker Optimum Play By Dan Paymar
This is the granddaddy of all video poker books. Dan was one of the first players to realize Video Poker could be beaten and that not all players have the same needs.
The Video Poker Edge By Linda Boyd
This is an old book but very good at explaining the down and dirty basics of video poker in a way anyone can understand.
Video Poker for the Intelligent Beginner By Bob Dancer
Bob tends to get a little technical for the average recreational player. Avid players will find it very informative.
Million Dollar Video Poker By Bob Dancer
A great read about Bob's journey from a Backgammon player to a Million Dollar Video Poker Winner.