Tested Skills Page Question?!

[PokerSup]

I did the test your skills for Deuces Wild... At the end of the 10 questions, something did not look right for the answer... I answered the same way with almost the same hand for 2 different hands and it said one was wrong and one was right... This is confusing me and would like someone with expert knowledge to explain to me what the difference between the two hands are...

Thanks!

(it would not let me attach the image so here are the hands!)

Hand 2
Dealt 2h-Td-Qh-Kh-4h Held 2h-Qh-Kh said I was wrong to just hold the 2h

Hand 5
Dealt 7c-Kh-2h-Qh-5d Held Kh-2h-Qh and this one said I was correct!

Are these not the same hands? Thanks for the answers guys!!

[onemoretry]

The difference is that in hand 2, you would be discarding a card of the same suit as the king-queen (the four of hearts).

But, I'm not sure that would change the "correct" hold. (I thought that would be the reason, but now I'm not so sure).

[billryan]

In the first hand, you are throwing away a heart, reducing your chance of drawing a flush. In the second hand, you have one extra heart in the deck so the chances of drawing a flush are better.

[alpax]

The Test Your Skills Deuces Wild is based off of a pay schedule that was popular in the past but not these days.

800-200-20-12-9-5-3-3-2-1 is the one being used, which Mr. Dancer and the late Liam Daily referred it to as pseudo Full Pay Deuces Wild.

I really think they should change the Test Your Skills part to either

Airport / Illinois / Ugly / pNSU Deuces

800-200-25-15-9-4-4-3-2-1

Or the Fooler

800-200-20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1

Most casinos I've been to that offer Deuces Wild utilize those pay schedules. The 5 for 4 of a kind and 3 for full house along with 9 for a straight flush makes a huge difference in strategy approaches.

[onemoretry]

I think I've figured it out.

As I and billryan indicated above, in the first hand, you would be discarding a heart, thus reducing the likelihood of making a flush.

But, as well, you would be discarding a ten, reducing the number of straights you can make. Together, these two penalty cards reduce the value of the deuce-king-queen to slightly less than that of deuce alone.

I confirmed this with the WinPoker hand analyser.

[alpax]

800-200-20-12-9-5-3-3-2-1 is the one being used, which Mr. Dancer and the late Liam Daily referred it to as pseudo Full Pay Deuces Wild.


I messed up there

It was 800-200-20-12-9-5-3-3-2-1

Flush pays 2 for 1 instead of 3 for 1.

Full Pay Deuces Wild

WKQ - 5.49
W - 5.1935

WKQ is the clear winner

psuedo Full Pay Deuces Wild

W - 5.14435
WKQ - 5.1434

So you lose less than 0.001 coins in this situation, that is considered a MINOR error even though you consider there is a straight and a flush penalty for the WKQ.


Again I feel my opinion is valid about the game availability. Guys go ahead and memorize the strategy to this game, I am certain you'll waste your time.

[billryan]

I just refer to my little plastic cheat sheet.

[Vman96]

I have never seen pseudo FPDW in my life. It has always been "Airport Deuces" at that payback level. I've also seen Sevens Wild with the FPDW pay schedule except four 7s pay 1000 of course. That's also roughly 98.9%.

[smokespray]

I had the same thing happen. I drew a two consecutive hands with almost identical versions deuce+two to a royal together. One had connected hearts (Qh-Kh) and the Other was gapped (Jh-Kh) (See attached screen shot.)





I played the gut shot (Jh-Kh) holding just the deuce, and the connected two (Jh-Qh) holding all three and was wrong on both counts. As connected cards are a stronger straight play than gapped cards, I don't see how this makes sense.

I would love for someone to enlighten me as to what They're thinking. I would also love to know the proper play for this situation.

In case the photo doesn't display, Hand 2 was:
10d Qh 4h Kh 2h.
I kept Qh Kh 2h and was shown the correct hold was 2h only.
Hand 3 was:
2h Jh 10d 4h Kh.
I kept only the deuce and was shown the correct hold was 2h Jh Kh.

Note that the Kicker Cards were IDENTICAL, with 4 hearts and a diamond in each hand.

[onemoretry]

The difference between the two is that, in the one case, if you draw to the deuce only, there is a jack removed from the deck, while in the other, a queen is missing.

In both hands, the value of the deuce plus the two royal cards is exactly the same. But, the value of the deuce alone is more for the deuce-king-queen hand because, with a jack removed from the deck, there are slightly less straight flushes and straights available than if a queen was missing.

It's rather a miniscule difference, and I think it's rather unfair, firstly to have the test based on a rarely available pay table, and secondly, to deny basic players a perfect test result with such a difficult hand.