Farewell again

[BobDancer]

I only rejoined this group because FP promised he would no longer post on it. As I have repeatedly argued, following his advice is extremely harmful and expensive to video poker players. Until he agreed to step away, this was not a forum I could participate.Which is sad. Alpax, for one, has been creating numerous high-level posts. There is some home for this forum! But fp's numerous repetitious and ill-informed posts really drag it down.Whether
it's more appropriate to call fp a liar because he refuses to stay
away like he promised, or merely someone who can't control himself, is a
question I'll let others debate.As for me, I'm out of here. I'll revisit this decision in 2018. 

[FloridaPhil]

Mr. Dancer,You tried unsuccessfully to run me off this forum last year.  After you left, you sent your surrogate to harass my every post.  This also failed.  I stated I would leave to see if you would return and you did as I predicted.  This proved to me your only motivation for posting on this forum is to promote yourself and to silence your every critic.  I guess threatening to leave is suppose to punish us into submission. When I returned I agreed not to comment on the strategy forum and I agreed not to address anyone by name.  I have complied with my agreement until now and the forum discussions have been peaceful.  You saw fit to respond to a post on the "Recreational Forum" and I stated some indisputable facts.  If there are any errors in my statements, I encourage you to point them out.[quote]Gambling involves risk.   Fair and random VP machines are programmed to
produce a random set of numbers on each touch of the deal button.   They
are not programmed to produce a jackpot exactly on time or in sync with
the odds shown on the front of the machine.   The RNG is independent of
the decisions a player makes.    It does not know if the game is
positive or if the play is computer perfect.  If all things are equal
and the games are totally fair and random, some player's results will be
greater than the odds indicate and others will be less. [/quote]I am not a video poker expert.  I have stated that on this forum numerous times.  I am a recreational player who never expects to win money long term.  I pay my monthly fee to this website and am entitled to post here.  When I found this website I realized there was a huge difference between professional and recreational VP strategy.  I asked for a separate Recreational Forum so we could discuss issues pertaining to recreational play without interference.  This seemed like a reasonable request and the administrators where kind enough to comply.  Why a professional of your caliber would be so disturbed by my posts is beyond me.  It's laughable that you seem concerned that a quarter VP player in Central Florida will question your credentials?  Perhaps you aren't that sure of them yourself? I would think a player that allegedly made millions playing video poker would have more important things to do.It seems the only thing that will satisfy you is if anyone who has another view of the game other than your own leaves permanently.  If I am asked by the Web Administrator to do so, I will comply.  Other than that I guess anyone who wants to hear your opinions will have to address you on some other forum.  This forum survived your last vacation.  I expect it will be here when and if you return. 

[onemoretry]

.  After you left, you sent your surrogate to harass my every post. 
This is the kind of BS statement that causes me to believe we would be better off without FP.

[FloridaPhil]

Did you think Bill Ryan just fell out of the sky after Mr. Dancer left?  Have you noticed he hasn't been back since he returned?  I expect he will return shortly. This feud can easily be resolved. All we want is a place where recreational players can discuss playing VP our way free from outside criticism.   The Strategy forum is reserved for traditional strategy.   If that too much to ask?

[Waiting4RF]

Billryan had over 50 posts since Bob Dancer returned. I value Bob's VP knowledge and expertise. I will miss his posts.

[billryan]

I was a member long before Mr Dancer departed, and have posting regularly since.
Phil has a very strange relationship with reality and the truth. I will leave it at that.

[FloridaPhil]

Here's what's going on here.  Mr. Dancer has put himself into a difficult position.  His strategy is based on a half truth.  He is well aware of this fact which puts him in a constant position of defending it.  This makes him irritable and he lashes out at anyone who questions him in any way.  The truth is playing positive games perfectly allows you to play more hands over time with the same money.  Having a large bankroll keeps you from busting over time.  After that, there is no guarantee the RNG will randomly choose to make you a winner because there aren't enough chances in a human lifetime for the math to fully play out.  Video poker is a "game of chance" not a calculator.Players don't want to hear this.  Perhaps they are wishing his strategy can predict the unpredictable?   Or, perhaps they are winning at the time and this has convinced them his strategy works.  This also makes me very unpopular with some people because I question the errors in his logic.  I have been told when this happens in his classes, he throws them out.  He hasn't been able to do that on this forum, at least not yet.Once you get to a level of playing positive games perfectly with an adequate bankroll, what happens after that is pure chance.My critics will not read all of this post.  They will read the first sentence and call me a liar or whatever else they can think of.  This does not change the facts.  There is no strategy that will absolutely guarantee a long term win in video poker.If Mr. Dancer was here to respond, I think he would say "I never said there was a guarantee!"    He never says it, but it's assumed in every statement he makes.   Go back and read what he says.  He says that the reason you don't win is that you are too stupid or you don't try hard enough.   He never says you weren't lucky enough, which could be the actual fact.  If you are intelligent enough to read this far, you are probably smart enough to realize what I am saying is true.  I know Mr. Dancer does.As far as this forum is concerned, I will be very happy to stay off the Strategy forum.   I will also refrain from calling anyone by name and I will not make any personal insults.  I expect others to respect the Recreational forum for what it is and to do the same.  If you want to look at this arrangement in a political sense, consider the Strategy forum as the Democrats and the Recreational Forum as the Republicans.   Just like in all of America, diverse views should be welcome here.

[Bobbi]

Personally, I don't see how anyone can become a millionaire playing video poker - sure the higher the bet the bigger the win - but the "odds" themselves are all the same - and the higher the bet the bigger the loss. Having a bunch of followers taking classes and buying books - that could possibly make someone rich as long as there are people out there looking for a miracle rather than working hard for their "riches". At any rate, I find the forums entertaining and I love to read about peoples wins and trips - so why can't we all get along, voice our opinions and move on?

[FloridaPhil]

I am not here to question anyone's reported results.  As I stated above, luck is a big part of this game.  It's obvious that Mr. & Mrs. Dancer were very lucky back in 2000 when they made their millions.   It's also obvious that Mr. Dancer is a smart businessman that lives a frugal lifestyle.  I'm sure he invested his winnings well and has become wealthy in the process.  My problem is when people assume following his strategy will make them big winners as well.  This is not based on any logic or intelligent thought, it's wishful thinking. I would love for this discussion to end.   We have hashed and rehashed this issue for over a year.   Let the Recreational Forum be for recreational play discussions so we can all get along and get back to playing the game however we wish to.

[billryan]

Of course you would love it to end. Every liar hopes his lies will fade from public memory. That, quite simply, is not going to happen.