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[ravenbynight111]

 I have read many things about odds ect.That is all great but that applys to the life of the machine. Most gamblers can not sit and play every day. Heck people have jobs. I have been very lucky playing slots and vp. I have 14k 8k 7k on and on. That  all came to and end about 2 years ago. I played a lot in la. There machines are weak i know there is no way they payback even close to what they claim the regulations are. So a couple months back me and my wife decided just to go vegas. I have my choice of many more hotels and machines.Heck they will give you just about any comp if give them play. I broke my own rule gambling a while back if the machines are not hot  no one is winning  and there no one  handing out any g-forms get the heck out of that place. Two years back we went to vegas stayed at the rio instead of old reliable lv hilton. Great room super dinner good looking girls,2800 down by the next morning. Had some friends they  had super suite on private floor. So at breakfast i told them i was going to the hilton and play. 4 hours later i had gotten back about 1700 of my loss. Went back to the rio checked out and back to the hilton stayed there the rest of the trip. My friends lost 14k at the rio. So if people are winning stay if not get out. THAT IS THE BEST ODDS YOU WILL EVER GET

[shadowman]

 I have read many things about odds ect.That is all great but that applys to the life of the machine.
 
I'm not sure what you have read, but nothing in probability or statistics has anything to do with the "life of a machine". Results are a continuum where you approach a statistical prediction slowly over many events (called hands in VP). While it is true that the life of any machine (that has been played a lot) will approach the statistical predictions for that paytable, that does not mean a player cannot approach the essentially the same predictions over much fewer events. Does it really matter if you are within .01% or .1% of a statistical prediction for a game like FPDW?
 
So if people are winning stay if not get out. THAT IS THE BEST ODDS YOU WILL EVER GET
 
What other people are doing has absolutely nothing to do with any other persons expected results. The fact is many paytables will produce more w2gs while taking more money over time. This kind of advice has no basis in fact. I've sat in a casino while others were losing and had great success. Of course, I've also experienced the exact opposite.
 
The key to success in VP is paytables, skill and luck ... in that order.

[oej719]

I think more is going on here than meets the eye.
If you know what or (who) I mean.
Just that was my first observation when I read raven111 post.

[jm002546]

  The oft heard idea of a casino being hot is ridiculous.  As if the machinesget together and decide to pay out to everybody for a while!  And vice versa-we ain't paying nobody.  Same thing with tables - bet big when you'rehot.  You're only hot AFTER you have won, not before.  One ***** to make.  Someone explain why the highrollers who actuallyare able to extract money from the casinos expect to be treated like royalty?Do they really think the casinos are glad to give them money?  I personallyam thankful for the positive machines, and any comps I get are just gravy,and probably unjustified.  This ought to piss some people off - sorry - that's the way I see it.

[MikeA]

  The oft heard idea of a casino being hot is ridiculous.  As if the machinesget together and decide to pay out to everybody for a while!  And vice versa-we ain't paying nobody.  Same thing with tables - bet big when you'rehot.  You're only hot AFTER you have won, not before.  One ***** to make.  Someone explain why the highrollers who actuallyare able to extract money from the casinos expect to be treated like royalty?Do they really think the casinos are glad to give them money?  I personallyam thankful for the positive machines, and any comps I get are just gravy,and probably unjustified.  This ought to piss some people off - sorry - that's the way I see it.
I think your implication is there and I'm being redundant.  But the Casino Bosses are not stupid.  They comp the hell out of the Whales not to get them in so they can pay them.  They bring them in because they are playing games in which the Casino has the advantage.  Eventually, the percentages will catch up with them and the Casino will get their money back seven-fold.I've watched $5,000 a hand players play for hours on a Blackjack table where the Casino carries a .65% advantage (6-deck Dealer hits soft 17).  Without advantage play, the player IS going to lose eventually.  And, at those stakes, it is not easy at all to employ advantage tactics.  They are watching them like hawks and at the first sign of "smart play", that high roller will be on his duff on the sidewalk!

[jm002546]

MIKE-I'm talking about VP players with the skill to make money over the long haul.  

[shadowman]

I've found that players who complain a lot and expect a lot of special treatment are generally NOT advantage players. However, I do know a few that meet your description. IMO, it's more of a personality thing and has nothing to do with the skill factor. Like you, I prefer to keep under the radar most of the time. However, if I believe I'm being treated unfairly I will politely ask to have someone look into it. 

[MikeA]

MIKE-I'm talking about VP players with the skill to make money over the long haul.  
I have not made money over the long haul...but then my "long haul" right now isn't that long.  I've played a LOT of Blackjack and just started playing VP seriously a couple of years ago.  There just are not any Positive Expectation games around where I live so most of my play is at the lowest denomination I can find on the best 97% and 98% games if you can even find them.  6/5 JOB is not unusual.  I have done a little better than break-even in Vegas but not enough to brag about.High stakes VP advantage players::::::I wonder if the casino would tolerate them once they spotted them?  I know they don't tolerate Advantage Blackjack players.  But then, I would imagine it is much harder for the "floor" to spot an advantage VP player and would think that they would have a difficult image to maintain were they to back them off.

[jm002546]

  Many casinos lower their club points for positive games.  So they know what you are playing and your volume and won-lost.  That's why I don't understand the complaining by those very advantage players.  Read the latest FRUGAL post and she was complaining about no airfarereimbursement.  Doesn't she play VP?

[ravenbynight111]

 Cute  we all views, when come to gambling the little guy against the big boys very seldom does the little guy win. As far as my post have you ever went to casino and talked to other players no one is hitting that day time to leave. odds pct are great over the long haul as one post said. As far as machines pay back, the  % is that apply to 100 played 500 played 1000 played on and on. Or does it apply to the live of the machines let me know.