Harrahs AC

[DaBurglar]

Notes1, good report.Totally agree about the frequency of hitting 3 of a kind  versus all other opportunities for quads.  And it is not just Harrahs....I also play (more ) at the other two CET propeties in AC, Ballys and Caesars and it is even worse there......anytime you catch 3 of a kind playing on their server based games (mostly single line for me) you brink 99 out of a 100 times (literally, I have kept track the last  5 trips playing at these two places and had 310 dealt 3 of a kinds playing mostly the DDB progressive machines, and only caught the fourth  16 times!   However I had 36 quads holding a pair, and was dealt quads 15 times which is almost as many as i caught with trips!    Absurd!       I did not have a occurence of getting dealt quads on the draw, lol)    Total quads my last 5 trips, 67.....total hands, 46,600, so I am "under quaded" by about 40 quads if you adhere to the expected average of one quad every 440 hands or so........not too good.At Harrahs, my brief play at the games that JETER frequents seemed to agree with his general results and theories......I'd advise you to stick to Harrahs AC and even try Jeter's methods....can't hurt.

[notes1]

DB, thanks.

Doris, appreciate you giving me the name of the food place. Looks like they also had some good looking sandwiches.

Jeter, hoping you would respond as I know you play there a lot. I asked a couple of regulars if what I noticed about being dealt three of a kind was typical. Granted, very limited survey, but all agreed it was SOP.

KK, just mentioning the RNG might have a pattern/tendency will get you a scolding from some on this site. But, not me! I have limited experience at the casino in question, but Jeter goes weekly and Doris both noticed the same thing. And, I have never read either of them talk about rigged machines.

My question is, how can this pattern of denying the quad to a dealt three, be possible? The believers keep telling me the RNG is absolute random and anyone who questions it, is a conspiracy nut.

I can only tell all, that it is beyond frustrating to be dealt three matching cards and know it is almost impossible to get the fourth. After seeing this first hand for multiple dozens of hands, one has to wonder.

[FAA]

Yeesh. All this venting makes me grateful that my trey at Trop came through yesterday. Now if only the SOBs had decent pay tables! DB, I'm familiar with the 700 hands per quad stat you reported. The dealt quads I get at Caesars sometimes have me falling out of my chair in amazement. It feels like a mercy quad from an RNG which has treated me like an ATM for over an hour.

[KingofAmerica]

Yesterday at Caesars and Nugget in AC I was dealt 3 Aces on TDB SEVEN TIMES on 10-play and hit ONE hand out of 70 for $800. What could have been.

[jetermacaw]

I don't think the term I would use is "rigged", I would lean more to payouts being "controlled".

[notes1]

I don't think the term I would use is "rigged", I would lean more to payouts being "controlled".

To be clear, I specifically said, you and Doris never used the word rigged. But, what the heck is the difference between rigged, controlled or any other more acceptable term. In the end, if this is true and there is no proof, it means the machines are not random or they could be programmed to have a 'near miss' feature. If this feature existed, it may not even affect the long term payout, maybe just a way to keep players on the machine, I do not know. I do find it an interesting coincidence that I mention this observation, get confirmation from a limited pool of players I ask at the casino and further confirmation from some posters here, who play there with some frequency.

[onemoretry]

I have kept track the last  5 trips playing at these two places and had 310 dealt 3 of a kinds playing mostly the DDB progressive machines, and only caught the fourth  16 times! 

Sorry guys, but here comes a bit of math.

It's 22.5 to 1 odds against completing a quad drawing to trips. Hitting 16 of 310 attempts (1 per 19.375) is a better result than that - what's the problem?

Perhaps some people have unrealistic expectations?

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar] I have kept track the last  5 trips playing at these two places and had 310 dealt 3 of a kinds playing mostly the DDB progressive machines, and only caught the fourth  16 times! 

Sorry guys, but here comes a bit of math.

It's 22.5 to 1 odds against completing a quad drawing to trips. Hitting 16 of 310 attempts (1 per 19.375) is a better result than that - what's the problem?

Perhaps some people have unrealistic expectations?[/QUOTE]your math is correct, but you are not taking into account the larrrrrrrrger picture which i also provided, whereby my TOTAL quad count for the time period I bothered to keep track of is wayyy down.......and of course this is NOT the first or only time.   My expectations are obviously exactly what they SHOULD be if I am able to cite what should be the long term statistical results for normal VP play.   And as I have been saying for 6 years now, AC video poker is NOT statistically normal......who knows exactly WHY this is so, there are MANY MANY possible reasons.....Sine you, onemoretry, insist on saying VP is spot on even in today's warped market and world, how about sharing some specifics of your own....I will take them seriously and believe them, as long as they make sense.         Where do you play?  What do you play?   What have you experienced with results?     etc etc

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=jetermacaw] I don't think the term I would use is "rigged", I would lean more to payouts being "controlled".

To be clear, I specifically said, you and Doris never used the word rigged. But, what the heck is the difference between rigged, controlled or any other more acceptable term. In the end, if this is true and there is no proof, it means the machines are not random or they could be programmed to have a 'near miss' feature. If this feature existed, it may not even affect the long term payout, maybe just a way to keep players on the machine, I do not know. I do find it an interesting coincidence that I mention this observation, get confirmation from a limited pool of players I ask at the casino and further confirmation from some posters here, who play there with some frequency.[/QUOTE]Thanks Notes1 for at least partially echoing what I have been saying for years here......something...... S O M E T H I N G  is not quite right, statistically speaking, when it comes to AC video poker.      With the Server based games at the Caesars (CET) properties, possibilities ABOUND as to what might be going on, and Jeter is 100% correct in his speculation that they could very be "Controlled" simply because, with a server based system, the end user (i.e  CET in this case)  can easily tell its system wide games to yield a return of X regardless of the paytables and regardless of anything else.   Its just that simple;;; The regulatory/oversight of Atlantic City casinos gaming is a topic that is chock full of holes, uncertainty, and sheer mystery at this juncture.    I am not just whistling dixie out of my arse, I have looked into this, experienced it, researched it  etc    and i HEARILY exhort and encourage all of you to do the same thing!     Seriously, PLEASE......PLEASe DO SO!!!!!!      Ask questions, ask around, submit complaints, etc.   See what you find (or don't find, take your pick)....All I know is this:   For the first 32 years of Atlantic City gambling (1979 thru 2011)  the state of New Jersey et al  saw fit and deemed it a necessity to have within each and every AC casino a fully functional desk/office/booth staffed 24/7/365  with at least 3 agents/employees at the desk/office to answer and deal with any and all customer issues and problems, with an additional number of randomly circulating agents out on the actual casino floor at any given time.......Then, POOF!     ALL of a sudden, in 2011, "governor" Christie (and a few pals of his from deep within the casino lobbyist trough) somehow convinced enough people that his was all no longer needed and completely dismantled the entire function/apparatus.....furthermore, he gutted the whole division of gaming enforcement and folded what was left into the friggin New Jersey State POLICE!         The outward justification for all this was simply "the new jersey casino industry has been devastated by outside competition, therefore we need to "downsize" in order to remain fiscally viable"  blah blah blah.     What does not seem to be addressed nor is an issue any longer is the need to watch what was left of New Jersey's still sizable gaming industry to prevent malfeasance and they type of "irregularity" we have been seeing, whether we want to admit it or not.Someone at least try and tell me WHY......WHY they thought it "ok" to do away with the level of oversight that was deemed necessary for 32 plus years!?!?!     What do YOU think would happen i such circumstances/?????

[notes1]

Sorry omt, here is my math. In my post, I stated I went multiple dozens of hands without getting the matching fourth. For the first two days of my recent trip, I played 25 hours for over 15000 hands and connected on four quads, after being dealt three. I can promise this is well below expected.

I have never complained about this before, that is why I asked for comments from regulars to that casino.

Have you ever been to this casino or do you just feel the need to defend every casino? In canada, do they report on companies that have screwed/mislead/cheated etc, the public. If I recall, the online poker scandal that robbed millions from trusting players, took place at an Indian facility, based in Canada.