Las Vegas Shooter

[DaBurglar]

As usual, Phil is talking out his ass, presenting opinions as facts. There is zero evidence that the guy was losing or lost any money gambling. He evidently made some serious money in real estate.
There is evidence he looked into non casino hotels in Boston and Chicago, as well as having had a suite over looking last weeks Life is Beautiful festival in downtown Vegas.wtf.....Show me exactly where Phil stated his opinion as "facts" .... and even if somehow he did, how arrogant are you to assume none of the rest of us can see through such garbage as well, and therefore don't need your "high powered insight?"  I cannot believe I am actually defending Phil, but whatever....I'm sick of your nihilistic grouchiness.This individual, Paddock, has been a well known high roller for MANY MANY MANY years, and has indeed lost substantial sums (which of course is in line with your stated FACT that he was also into real estate.  Don't ask how such an apparent anti-social miserable and disturbed person could sell anything, but that's another story...)Whether he looked into other places to hit is definitely important from an investigative standpoint, but clearly his extensive experience and background as a casino patron and gambler ultimately led to him selecting a place he knew intimately and thoroughly, so yeah, sadly his status as a "player, or gambler" DOES take precedence in many respects.   But I do disagree with Phil's OPINION that this guy will somehow "tarnish" the rest of us VP players, but Phil is entitled to that and him simply stating so is NOT tantamount to gospel.What Paddock has tarnished is Gun ownership and firearms sales in general, to the point where an NRA spokesperson and attorney got on FOX news (not exactly a bastion of Gun Control Propaganda) and said the NRA would be "ok" with severe restrictions on Bump Stock (but NOT, repeat, NOT outright BANNING bump stock.....go figure.   "from tiny acorns and such....")

[billryan]

Where did you get that he lost substantial sums of money?
Who is he well known to? I've yet to hear from a single AP who knew him and the AP community in Vegas simply isn't all that big.
So far, he has come across as a rich guy who played on double point days and during promotions, not some out of control gambler.
No one ,that I have read, said he was a Real Estate agent. People who invested in land here in the early 2000s made a killing if they sold in 2006, 2007.
Houses you could buy for 10% down on $125,000 in 2000 tripled by 2006. Then you could have bought them back in 2008 for less than you paid in 2000. Many APs did just that. Up in the Northern part of the state, you could buy 500 acres for less than a thousand an acre ten years ago. Now the same land can go for $15,000 a half acre.

[case]

Florida Phil said "When the public is told video poker can be beat with mathematics, some people are going to get angry when they fail.   My hope is we don't find out the Shooter's math told him he was going to win and he didn't. I think there is a good chance that happened here".



I think you have crossed the line here. You are taking your disdain for advantage players too far. For you to blame the math people talk about as a reason for "some" people to carry out an act of this nature is way over the line.

You also said the shooter "probably" took some VP classes....and of course everyone on this forum knows who that remark is aimed at.

As you know Phil I hardly ever say anything negative to you but this time you went way too far. So many peoples lives were ruined by this maniac and they will grieve for a long time. It is not our position to make false claims or assumptions as to the reason for the action the shooter took. Let the people in authority look after this.

[olds442jetaway]

just google paddock video poker and multiple articles interviews youtube videos etc will come up on this character. More than I can cite here but hints on his methods, personality, way he operated in the casinos etc. too much. better to read for yourselves. I have added those people and their families to my rosary and they now have their own bead. Prayer is the only thing that can help them now.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=case]You are taking your disdain for
advantage players too far.[/quote]I do not have disdain for advantage players.  I have disdain for people who profit from selling products that cause harm to people. Telling them in advance they aren't intelligent enough to make it work does not wash their hands of responsibility either.This man was obviously troubled.  Unfortunately, our society is full of troubled people.  I am sorry if you think I am out of line by bringing this up.   It saddens me that we have to even talk about it.  We can ignore the fact that this guy was a gambler or we can address this issue head on.We should stop advertising to players that VP mathematics coupled with making huge bets is a road to riches.   If we say it lets you keep more of your money, fine.  If we say it lets you stay in some nice resorts for free, no problem.  Stating publicly that you make big money betting tens of thousands of dollars a day is irresponsible.  If it works for you, great.  Keep it to yourself and be cognizant of the potential harm you could cause to someone else if it doesn't.I'm not sure I even know what an AP is.  If you spend 24/7 365 in a casino, you will develop skills and have a better chance of winning raffles.  You will also find opportunities a weekend player will never see.  Who wants to spend that much time in a casino when you can make more money working at a career?  Gambling can be fun.   It can also be destructive.   If we recognize the potential harm we could do before it happens, maybe we can prevent some of it.

[Tedlark]

All this crap about the shooter's video poker habits are incidental. If he would have carried out his attack in Chicago or Boston or some possible other target city then we'd be having no discussion about this person's video poker play.

Phil your dislike of Bob Dancer is obvious to many here. Is the man hurting you? Is the man doing something illegal? Have there been any complaints made against him to the Better Business Bureau or Consumer Protection Agency?

You were advertising CS as a way to minimize casino losses. The only way to completely minimize casino losses is not to gamble. I have a strategy that will minimize casino losses to even lower levels that CS would: players will bet one coin a hand. So, a player will play 1 credit; press deal, decide which cards to hold or discard; press draw and wait for the outcome of the hand; (HERE'S THE REALLY IMPORTANT STEP) player will WAIT 10 MINUTES BEFORE REPEATING THE ABOVE SEQUENCE. This strategy will minimize a player's maximum loss to $1.50 per hour. If any hand results in a push or better that pushes the $1.50 hourly expected loss even lower! WOW!!!

You pushing CS was also potentially doing harm to someone. What if a problem gambler started playing CS and it forced this problem gambler into a deeper addiction? Have you thought of those ramifications?

Please, quit your not so subtle attacks on Bob Dancer. Unless he has caused you harm what is your purpose? Please don't repeat that you are looking out for other players because as you've said before: how a player plays with their money is their business.

[Waiting4RF]

NBC News: Gunman earned at least $5 million in 2015, investigators found, mostly from gambling.

[billryan]

If Phil didn't talk about CS, or attack Dancer, or make up suit about people claiming you can get rich playing video poker, what would he have?

[Tedlark]

I just re-read this entire thread and what amazed me was that there was NO MENTION about his father, who spent almost 10 years on the FBI's most wanted list. His particular poster stated that he was: "diagnosed as psychopathic" and as an individual reported to have "suicidal tendencies".

[onemoretry]

.We should stop advertising to players that VP mathematics coupled with making huge bets is a road to riches. 
Have you ever actually seen such advertising? I know I haven't.