vote for BIDEN and his party

[billryan]

I think it is pretty flippin' obvious that the important thing is what they would NOT have done, which is repeatedly contradict his own team of medical professionals, encourage states to break the carefully considered reopening plans that were laid out, repeatedly mock opponents like a second grader, opine that the virus will mysteriously "vanish" and downplay anything that presents a negative picture of the current situation. You might not think these things matter. For the President of America to do these things matters very much. UGH. Why did I even come in here to read this today.

Because good people have to stand up to these lies and misinformation.
To paraphrase Edmund Burke- the only thing needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

[billryan]

You have a President tweeting out liberate states that are trying to follow the administrations own rules, who refuses to wear a mask or encourage social distancing, who cancels a convention in a city but insists that city opens its schools, and who regularly touts a drug science has shown is useless and you ask what any other leader might have done differently?
I'll have to think about that one for a while.

[notes1]

the dems favor more shutdowns. when talking numbers of chinese virus deaths and those infected, we should also be including the numbers who are affected by the shutdowns;

-how many more suicides?
-how many more drug addictions?
-how many more cancers and other health problems, because folks are afraid to go to their doctor?
-no young children have died from virus, but there are kids committing suicide?
-what impact has the loss of one's business, that they spent a lifetime building or invested all their savings on, going kaput?
-how many are hitting the bottle or hitting their spouse and kids, and going undetected?

the 'experts' may know some things about the ramifications of the virus, but the lockdowns have also taken their toll. nobody is talking about those.

[billryan]

the dems favor more shutdowns. when talking numbers of chinese virus deaths and those infected, we should also be including the numbers who are affected by the shutdowns;

-how many more suicides? 1400 Americans died yesterday. Are you suggesting there were that many suicides?
-how many more drug addictions?
It does seem some people are drinking much more

-how many more cancers and other health problems, because folks are afraid to go to their doctor?
I don't know, do you? Again, the mark to beat is 1400 deaths

-no young children have died from virus, but there are kids committing suicide?
I know there are children who have died from corona, It's public record.

-what impact has the loss of one's business, that they spent a lifetime building or invested all their savings on, going kaput?
Any business that paid taxes is eligible for upwards of a dozen programs to help them get through this

-how many are hitting the bottle or hitting their spouse and kids, and going undetected?
You tell us,



the 'experts' may know some things about the ramifications of the virus, but the lockdowns have also taken their toll. nobody is talking about those.
Perhaps no one in your social circle is, but to say this isn't being discussed is nonsense.

[notes1]

ok, i will stand corrected, it does get a small amount of discussion, but not much.

but, i am not hearing reading about the increase in numbers of suicides, drug addictions, permanently closed businesses, etc. these events can have a significant effect on people as well. how many front page stories has the nyt done on the fate of small businesses closings.

how many stories have been done about kids who are having problems, without interaction with other children? how many kids are being abused at home and going undetected? how many deaths from undetected medical problems?

how many stories on increased addictions? how many suicide stories, from those who have lost the financial future?

there are many additional concerns, other than the obvious chinese virus impact.

covid deaths still largely impact the elderly. keep the safe.

[seemoreroyals]

Notes, almost all of what you are referring to in your above argument could have been avoided if trump had of taken decisive action sooner. We are in the mess we are in largely because of trump. He wants to direct everyone's attention from what a poor job he has done by blaming it on China. He accepts no blame for his horrible leadership he has provided or not provided depending on how you look at things dealing with this pandemic. We lost almost 1400 American lives yesterday due to the trump virus now close to 160,000 lives lost in less than six months. Now he is about to weaponize our children by sending them back to school in areas that experts insist are not ready for schools to be reopened.

[tech58]

The phasing out of the shutdown was left up to Governors,as they demanded, you are not forgetting that.
You are just your regular deceitful selves!!

"MENDACITY"!!

[seemoreroyals]

The phasing out of the shutdown was left up to Governors,as they demanded, you are not forgetting that.
You are just your regular deceitful selves!!

"MENDACITY"!!

I recall the trumpvirus panel setting guidelines for reopening for individual states Then going from one extreme to another trump suddenly started pushing for reopening. He was everywhere. First pushing to reopen by Easter. Then by end of April. Finally he persuaded almost all the Rep governors and several Dem governors. If he would have showed true leadership and encouraged sticking to the original guidelines of the trumpvirus task force for reopening states, we would have the pandemic under control by now. Those are the facts. The mendacity is on you my friend.

[Carcounter]

The phasing out of the shutdown was left up to Governors,as they demanded, you are not forgetting that.
You are just your regular deceitful selves!!

"MENDACITY"!!

That's right. It was left up to the governors, just like the Dems wanted, and it was the right call. Meanwhile, today in NYC, law enforcement is randomly stopping every 18th car or something like that coming thru a tunnel or over a bridge and telling them they have to self quarantine or face a $10,000 fine. Not kidding. Instead of cracking down on out of control gun violence. In the first half of 2020, there were as many gun incidents as all of 2019. Who gets hurt the most?

[billryan]

So you skew NY for not doing enough early, and then skew them for trying to prevent another outbreak. Anyone notice a pattern here?