Cheating in the NFL, Deflategate - redux

[MPD001]

  Brady was hit with a 4 game suspension, the team was fined a million bucks and they lose their first round pick next year along with their 4th round pick in 2017, the two equipment guys got indefinite suspensions without pay and they cannot get reinstated to the team without the league's permission.
Here is what I think REALLY happened.

Brady's equipment manager knows that Tom likes his footballs soft. He brings them down to the lower end of the legal limit before the game, using pressure gauge A. At halftime, the refs check the balls using pressure gauge B, and find them underinflated. The gauges used were old, needle gauges (not digital), and were probably as accurate as a Bob Dancer post on this Forum.

Tom does not want the NFL, or anyone else, to see his cell phone, since it's probably filled with tantalizing pictures of Giselle. The NFL perceives this as a cover up, and slams Brady and the team.

So, maybe the NFL will use the $1M fine money to buy better gauges. Better yet, go back to what was the case several years ago, before the Prima Doña QBs (including Brady)insisted on their own footballs for the game - both teams play offense with the same ball.

In the meantime, NFL, since the Pats played the 2nd half of the AFC Championship game with 'correct' inflation, and outscored the Colts 28-0, showing how little ball inflation effected the game, lift the suspension on Brady, and let the best football players play football. It is what the fans pay to see, and after all, it is about entertainment - isn't it ?    

[DaBurglar]

You know Dabuglar, I find it hard to understand your posts because they are so long winded and rambling. It seems to me that you are trying to justify the cheating that has been prevalent in the New England franchise. (multiple occasions) Thank you but that just reaffirms what I already believed about your character as mentioned in my original post.I will spot you the fact my post was long winded and rambling....it was, therefore I accept your criticism of my writing.....if nothing else, its your opinion and you are entitled to it, and in this case it happens to be right.What I refuse to accept is this (second) potshot on my "Character"......you do not KNOW me at all, just as I do not know you.....I would never deign to make ANY conclusive statement about you personally, especially a clearly NEGATIVE one......who the F--- do you think you are??    Seriously, why....WHY would you say something like that?  

[DaBurglar]

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and now the payoff:  SO WHAT??    


  sounds like' what difference does it make'. or, someone on the same 'team' stating on the senate floor, that a opponent did not pay taxes for the past 10 years. and, when confronted about it, the reply 'he did not win, did he.'  so, as long as your 'team' wins, so long as your 'cause' is better, as long as the end result is what should happen, heck with honesty. who cares if hands up was wrong, who cares if a video had nothing to do with 4 people being killed, who cares if the IRS actually targeted specific groups, who cares if an assault accusation at UVA was made up and who cares if a lacrosse team was falsely accused?  i guess it is ok...until the other 'team/cause' does it. the real problem is, where are our unbiased journalists? where is the profession that searched for the truth? they have all taken sides!     [/QUOTE]I've given up trying to get along with you, you simply enjoy conflict......When I say "So What"?   it is typical of people like you (i.e. those who are SO certain of what EVERYONE Else thinks and believes)  to assume I mean "So what" if he cheated......no, that is not at all what I said or meant.....and nice job with all the alarmist false choices and comparisons to every REAL and tragic event you listed....you ACTUALLY ILLUSTRATED MY  "SO WHAT"  point nicely......In the grand scheme of things, this entire farce since the AFC championship game luustrates everything that is WRONG with our society, country and culture......the fact we devote So much time and coverage and analysis to THIS.......THIS "issue", is why the USA  is in the shape it is.......243 page report that says quite clearly "More PROBABLE  than NOT"  Tom Brady knew what was going on with the soft footballs......50.1%  vs  49.9% .....  How much money do you think the legal eagles who comprised that 243 page "report" were paid?       While the news papers, and news stations were all devoting non stop coverage of this farce and Brady's Punishment, there was a Tornadoe in Arkansas that killed 5 people.......how many of you know their names without pausing from reading this post and googling it?     Even if you google it you will have to DIG a little to find out all their names......That is what I mean when I say "SO WHAT", among other meanings.......And for the record, IF someone can tell me in a little more Definite language than "more probable than not", I will support suspending Brady for the whole SEASON.....but I do not believe he did anything even close to the level of egregiousness that is being insinuated right now......If only the NFL poured as much effort into their original investigation of Ray Rice clobbering his "Soul mate" in the Revel as they did this baloney.

[Tedlark]

  Still sounds like sour grapes to me DaBurglar.

[DaBurglar]

what grapes?   where?Tom Brady and the Patriots still won the super bowl, and regardless of how much everyone out there who HATES the patriots for being better than everyone else wants it to be otherwise, the so-called "legacy and prevalence of cheating" involves being caught videotaping/spying on a team in 2007 ( a practice which it is KNOWN was common for DECADES prior to the PAts being ratted out and busted), and now this Baloney with the balls.NO One still has provided a answer as to WHY the NFL, if ball pressure is SO IMPORTANT, did not accept some share of the blame for this alleged problem.....yes we heard from the previous poster on the issue with the gauges (which again begs the question "WHY is the NFL so inept?")

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what grapes?   where?Tom Brady and the Patriots still won the super bowl, and regardless of how much everyone out there who HATES the patriots for being better than everyone else wants it to be otherwise, the so-called "legacy and prevalence of cheating" involves being caught videotaping/spying on a team in 2007 ( a practice which it is KNOWN was common for DECADES prior to the PAts being ratted out and busted), and now this Baloney with the balls.NO One still has provided a answer as to WHY the NFL, if ball pressure is SO IMPORTANT, did not accept some share of the blame for this alleged problem.....yes we heard from the previous poster on the issue with the gauges (which again begs the question "WHY is the NFL so inept?")


 every comment you make supports my post. your 'team' won, your 'cause' wins, who cares if cheating/lying occurred, as long as you win. and now, as your 'team' often does, you want the NFL to take their share of the blame, while your own team refuses to do so.  typical of your 'team', get caught doing something wrong, try and convince everyone was doing it or try and blame someone else. never take responsibility, never admit to fault.

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step #1- deny step #2-everyone is doing it step #3-blame it on someone else step #4-hope the press gets bored and public loses interest  typical left playbook.

[hdpan]

i think there needs heavier fines to the coach he is responsiable for the players when it all comes down

[Tedlark]

Because there are rules in the NFL governing ball pressure, it's important.

It was brought up that: "well other teams have cheated over the years, spitballs, whatever." New England and Tom Brady got caught cheating in a crucial game and you are mad. How many times have they cheated before and not got caught?

Again, sour grapes make for bitter whine...

[DaBurglar]

 every comment you make supports my post. your 'team' won, your 'cause' wins, who cares if cheating/lying occurred, as long as you win. and now, as your 'team' often does, you want the NFL to take their share of the blame, while your own team refuses to do so.  typical of your 'team', get caught doing something wrong, try and convince everyone was doing it or try and blame someone else. never take responsibility, never admit to fault.I deny supporting ANYTHING you post because you encompass and overlap an entire glaxy of issues that have nothing to do with anything being discussed, and you totally "overdo" it with this hyperbole and manic accusations......I never said anywhere that cheating is "OK" as long as you win.....that is simply what you WISH I had said or meant.But yes, of course, the NFL indeed SHOULD take its share of the blame, because quite simply they BLEW IT (and continue to blow it) in so many areas and ways......IF......IF at some point in the future more convincing and irrefutable evidence comes forth that the PAtriots as an Organization were at fault, or if it is proven that Tom Brady did indeed orchestrate and ensure that the balls were kept soft prior to game time (PROVEN beyond the current "50.1%  vs 49.9%"  threshold of guilt in the NFLS official report!), then YES  I will indeed agree with you that the PAtirots need to step up and take their lumps.    

step #1- deny step #2-everyone is doing it step #3-blame it on someone else step #4-hope the press gets bored and public loses interest  typical left playbook.
I deny the idea that any of my posts fall into the characterization or pattern of whatever it is you are trying to portray (or paint) with these bizarre posts.....one of my points has been this entire thing has been overblown and totally distorted way beyond the actual importance and gravity of the real situation or actions involved......hence my "So what" comment....When you say Typical "left" playbook, you are once again trying paint/label me as "left" leaning.......which is a clear and undeniable manifestation of your own prejudice and conviction that ANY left-leaning views or beliefs are what exactly....?   Wrong?  Bad?  Evil?  Detrimental?        Is that your true PERSONAL belief and conviction?      We are talking about friggin NFL football here and yet you segue (out of "LEFT" field no less hahaha) to include this potshot.........very telling indeed.I deny being Leftist.....or rightist (which I assume is "Good" and "Right"  in your eyes and is what you prefer yourself to be painted as....)         I have always maintained, and still do, that the "BEST"  overall position and solution regarding any issue or problem  is to be found in the middle, taking both extremes into account and then finding the best most encompassing  and fair solution.      With respect to the issue at hand:  the footballs with low air pressure, since the NFL "OFFICIAL REPORT"  does not provide irrefutable evidence or conclusions that Tom Brady knew about the deflation of footballs pregame, that it is merely  concluded in the official report that he "PROBABLY" knew something more likely than he "PROBABLY did NOT know Something".....lol    Because this is a CIVIL legal case and not a criminal matter, such flimsy reasoning and evidence holds up to allow some sort of punitive action to be taken......I propose that a "centrist" solution to this issue would be fine Tom Brady a couple game's salary, and require him to perform 40 hours of community service.      Since Ray Rice was only suspended 2 games for clobbering his lovely fiance, it makes little sense to suspend Brady for FOUR games for allegedly knowing (not actually DOING the deflating mind you)  about SOFT footballs prior to the game.....especially since it is the undeniable consensus that the alleged "CHEATING"  did  not in anyway impact the outcome of the game.