Who's to Blame, and/or who gets the credit....

[Casino Knight]

It should be noted as well of the impact that closing down American Coal mines and how it affects a large percentage of Native Americans.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/navaj ... oal-plant/

[Carcounter]

DB, I don't remember offering an opinion on coal mining, but maybe I did, just can't remember. I think it is safe to say we are wired differently. Just like any other president, let's just give him a chance. I personally don't think he is going to be as radical as you think. There will be a lot of simple, basic things that will be done that most people agree with. That's all.

[ko king]

DB, I don't remember offering an opinion on coal mining, but maybe I did, just can't remember. I think it is safe to say we are wired differently. Just like any other president, let's just give him a chance. I personally don't think he is going to be as radical as you think. There will be a lot of simple, basic things that will be done that most people agree with. That's all.

I guess you're both different than me, I would like to see some radical changes. I would love to see Washington shaken up and things really getting done. I see no reason we shouldn't have a high speed rail system, a better health care system and a simpler way taxes are levied. I've got all kinds of other things on my wish list but I won't throw them all out at once.

[DaBurglar]

DB, I don't remember offering an opinion on coal mining, but maybe I did, just can't remember. I think it is safe to say we are wired differently. Just like any other president, let's just give him a chance. I personally don't think he is going to be as radical as you think. There will be a lot of simple, basic things that will be done that most people agree with. That's all.OK....like what "basic and simple things that most people agree with...?"I'm all for the cliches and rhetoric that has been spouted by Trump about draining the swamp and his supposedly anti-gridlock/waste/special interest style that will supposedly "Shake up"  Washington DC.     The problem is all the other baloney and lunacy that this guy brings, plus his "TRACK RECORD".....up to now anyway, he has been a Con Man......sure,  we all HOPE he somehow stops being that way and instead transforms into a altruistic, far sighted, fair minded human being.MY POINT(S) in talking about Jobs, the economy and specifically the COAL business is (to repeat).....PEOPLE have been fed a bunch of distortions and lies (not just by Trump but he has been the main culprit along with the Republicans) concerning the economy and employment.   There are no simple, easy solutions anymore.....and anyone touting such, or maintaining that "All we need to do is <insert platitude or lie> and everything will be fine..." is not a responsible leader.And for those of you out there who do not share Tedlark's aversion to information, knowledge or enlightment (or his love for ignorance and making a fool of oneself), YES, there is a virtual plethora of info and knowledge now at your fingertips thanks to google and the internet.  This means that what used to require a trip to the library or a couple hours with large textbooks in order to educate oneself on any topic of interest, can now be accomplished in mere minutes.I think its most telling on Tedlark's part that he would rather take yet another potshot at me for daring to look something up and then cogently applying the information I learned to make a rock solid point....did anyone notice the sense of resentment and hostility on his part towards me for this?   Ask yourselves (as I have been since day one, and as edog alluded to), why does he automatically just attack ME & whatever I say or post, ESPECIALLY since I never mention HIM, nor does it have anything to DO with HIM in the first place?   Go back to my previous posts in this thread.....does TEDLARK figure ANYWHERE IN THERE?   It would have been nice if he had perhaps done a little research and come up with some pertinent counterpoints & information to my points and arguments....but nope. And of course, Edog makes one little remark about him and BOOM, next reply is TED to EDOG.....what's that tell ya?     Something someone posted above earlier about "SAME OLD SONG" comes to mind.....

[DaBurglar]

I think Mr. burglar deserves a pat on the back for doing research before making his post. You know Ted you do not have to be a crabby butt cranky pants all of the time.The internet is a wonderful, dynamic tool.....on the opposite spectrum, there are just "plain tools"....take a guess what (or 'who') I might be referring to....

[Carcounter]

OK, I'll take DB's bait, but I may regret it. Simple stuff such as tax reform, border security., health care reform, a real infrastructure stimulus. Stuff that regular people, like you and I can actually see the results of.

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar Donald Trump has never held public office before this so he has no"TRACK RECORD."

As for you posting information here I'm all for it except don't try and portray it as your own work. If you want to post information as you did then reference that it was information that you gleened from the internet or where ever.

I have no resentment or hostility toward you and that's one thing that sticks in your craw. You continually state that I do solely because of a perception that you have.

If you look back in this thread you'll see that I was the one who brought coalmining up, not you. As for tools;I guess I'm a pretty expensive tool.

[DaBurglar]

Nope, not gonna work Ted.....you'll have to try again with a new batch of crap if you want the "last word" in this thread.... DaBurglar Donald Trump has never held public office before this so he has no"TRACK RECORD."
....to begin with you just re-emphasized the chief liability and criticism of the man, that he has ZERO political experience.   However, no where did anyone (least of all me) say that "Track Record" was limited or confined to serving in public office.....that was your (typical) false logic or assumption at work to try and legitimize your imaginary "counterpoint".....Trump does indeed have a "TRACK RECORD" and he indeed USED that "Track Record" during his so-called campaign, touting his business acumen and success and past achievements as "evidence" of how SUPERB a leader he'd be....and only a total moron would not understand what I meant or was referring to when I made that statement.      And in case you still don't get it, its his track record of ridiculous business practices particularly when it comes to paying his debts and bills, and the cavalier, almost irresponsible way he has utilized bankruptcy to weasel out of paying a litany of people, banks and corporations money he legitimately owed/owes.   And that's just the edge of the putrid swamp that is Trump's "past"....wont' even touch his personal life or all the deplorable stuff he has uttered.   As President, it does indeed MATTER what you say.....
As for you posting information here I'm all for it except don't try and portray it as your own work. If you want to post information as you did then reference that it was information that you gleaned from the internet or where ever.
   I can definitely state with a clear conscience that my post was entirely "my own work".....I typed all the words, I corrected all the initial typos and any grammattical errors, and I MYSELF hit "POST REPLY"!    yep  all my work....
Are you really this petty and obtuse in real life?   This isnt some flippin' online college course nor is it some academic assignment, or some circulated journalistic publication or anything other than on ONLINE DISCUSSION FORUM (which is to say, a form of, or very much like, personal conversation, and most people I know when they state information or facts during conversations are NOT required to then quote who or what or where this info came from)....everything I posted I either knew myself from my years of reading and experience and education, and/or found doing simple research as I put together a coherent argument on the subject of coal mining and jobs....NOTHING I SAID or posted concerning coal was portrayed as being some profound, groundbreaking or unique piece of information that I MYSELF somehow derived......its common knowledge available to anyone who wants it....And NO, I do not need to "Cite" where I found anything, INCLUDING that nifty colorful diagram either, depicting various methods of coal extraction......its one of many such things floating around out there available to any who want to use it....I never said or implied or hinted that I CREATED it;  it can all be easily found for anyone who wants to look at any number of different sources and sites, etc.    I guarantee YOU are the only person who even dared think or assumed that I was taking credit for anything other than voicing my opinion about coal mining jobs and backing it up with information available to anyone.   You totally and disingenuously have accused me of......(ominous music please) "dum da dum dum......dum da dum dum DUMmmm" (end ominous music)  plagiarizing..... *gasp* .....  And why?  Why try and create such a spurious issue?  All because you cannot stand to be bested and shown up by ME, and because you simply HAVE TO HAVE the last word so you THOUGHT of this pathetic line of reasoning in the hopes I would just let it alone, let your ridiculous post and accusation pass just like I have pretty much avoided posting here the last few months,  and you could sit back and pretend to yourself that you snuck this one by too.....too bad Ted.

[DaBurglar]

OK, I'll take DB's bait, but I may regret it. Simple stuff such as tax reform, border security., health care reform, a real infrastructure stimulus. Stuff that regular people, like you and I can actually see the results of.In other words, the same as most other presidential candidates the last 4 or 5 elections.....Sure, all those vanilla issues are important and certainly, it would be a benefit to most people if real true genuine progress is made on SOME of them.....you might be disturbed though to realize that the PRESIDENT is NOT the sole, or even, primary power behind many/most of the things that need to be done or the problems that need fixing or issues that need addressing.....CONGRESS is actually the real story here.   Most people fail to realize this which is why things have not improved much on most important issues since 1990 (like the Debt, Pollution, Healthcare and many others....)  If americans only knew it was their congressman and senator who has far more impact (for good or ill) On THEIR own personal lives than the president(s) who are only around for 4-8 years.......it is the CONGRESS which actually, and ultimately approves and spends money, the President only recommends budgets & priorities (strongly of course, but still, FINAL ultimate power does reside with Congress)   Until recently, compromise was always the order of the day, but no longer....As I previously said a few posts back, there is no choice now except to obviously give this jerk/Trump a chance so he will INDEED get his chance.....I just think its an absurd sentiment and logic to be constantly tossed around....."GIVE the man a CHANCE".....i already tried the analogy of a total neophyte getting in a cockpit behind the wheel of a airplane with the exhortation "Hey, just give me a CHANCE, I am sure I can fly this plane just like a REAL pilot..."      I don't know what else I can say, except this is WHY I don't vote and instead just pray......Its pretty obvious something sick and warped is at work in this world, something that, for lack of a better way to put it, only someone like the Almighty or his Son can fix.....I mean if Trump's wholly immoral lifestyle doesnt disturb you, then surely  flagrant, flippant, wayward accusations of PLAGIARISM will drive you batty.......no?

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar I'm sure there are many political, business, psychological, academic, narcissistic, forums out there that you could post to other than here with just us simpletons.

Notice I didn't mention: religious?