Deuces Wild Poker

[New2vp]

Yeah, Ted, I got that.  Thanks for the well wishes.  I still read thru some of the posts ... even though I don't write with nearly the same frequency.  For those of us who learned poker way earlier than we had experiences with video poker, a lot of people and some sources actually agree with grammie with the royal simply being the highest possible straight flush.  I have some non-video-poker-playing buddies that actually call the top hand a royal straight flush.When you are a newbie and get what you think is a great hand, a lot of things can be frustrating.I had a girl friend that would not play deuces wild because you had to get too high of a hand to get paid (3 of a kind) vs. only needing a pair of jacks on non-wild games.  At one time, I thought I could teach math to anyone (I learned long ago that dating and teaching don't always mesh), but the concept of varying frequencies with wild cards to justify the lower payoffs is not second nature to everyone ... at least, at first.

[Tedlark]

One of my brother-in-laws (now departed), when playing video poker, used to tell me that he got a "Royal Straight Flush" while playing. I stopped trying to correct him.

I hit two Royal Straight Flushes (1 for 1k, 1 for 2k) earlier today while playing at Harrah's in Joliet, IL. Also had a nice quad 4's with a kicker for $1,250.00 (at .50 denom). Plus got $60.00 in Kohls gift cards to boot.

[grammie]

Thank you for your response. Out of all the remarks, yours is the one that makes sense. Thank you. I was upset about the lousy scores for one thing in the DW monthly contest, then mad about the multipliers not being fair in the DW "X" games. I only play DW, and believe me, the natural royals are as hard to get as in straight poker games.

The games are not holding my interest because of the low scores on the monthly contest. You have 100 hands, then there's alway a string of ZERO score for sometimes over 20-30 hands in a row! Tell me, with 4 wild cards, how is that possible?

Thanks again for your sensible explanation.

[grammie]

What i meant was exactly what I said... that the straight flush pay score varies between the DW games. It is 45 in one game, and 65 in another, 50 in another. Why?? I just think it should be one score across the board.

[grammie]

Thank you.

[grammie]

Ted, I decided to make 3 points on ONE thread. Yes, I had a score that sucked eggs on the monthly contest... under 200, and all I play is DW. I don't understand that score because I have 4 wild cards. But when the deuces don't show up for 30 hands or so, it makes me mad. So I vented. Then I felt insulted.

The other point was about the score fluctuation between the DW games.

The next was regarding the multiplier in the "X" games.

I just didn't feel like writing 3 different threads.

[grammie]

I thought I made a couple really good points that were comprehensible. I think New2 and Ted finally understood what I was trying to say. This is not rocket science, it's the luck of the draw, but the game hand scores should not vary the way they do in DW.

[paco13]

I'm not so concerned with the multiple awarded for the next hand after the good hands (4oak's, Royal) I'm more concerned with the multiplier awarded from the hand BEFORE the good hands. I'm aware that the lower paying hands trigger higher multipliers for the following hand. My point is playing in the contests is FREE and it is all about short term lucky hands. You only have 100 shots so not likely the math and strategy for normal live games will get you there. So I want the chance at being dealt or drawing multiple Full Houses, Flushes or Straight's therefore setting up high multipliers for the next hand which could be 4oak or Straight Flush etc. which pay a lot more in DDB, TDB etc. This will get the high scores more often if you are lucky.

[Vman96]

What i meant was exactly what I said... that the straight flush pay score varies between the DW games. It is 45 in one game, and 65 in another, 50 in another. Why?? I just think it should be one score across the board.

Why? Because you have to adjust payouts somewhere to come up with different payback percentages within a 1% range. Adjusting the "4 of a kind" and lower payouts in Deuces Wild often causes a payback adjustment that is too extreme. In non-wild games, adjusting full houses or flushes by 5 coins conveniently alters the payback by about 1% each, so most paytables just focus on those two hand categories.

For example, "full pay deuces wild" pays back 100.76% with optimal play. If the game lowers the 4 of a kind payout from 25 to 20 and changes nothing else, then optimal payback would become 94.34%, a horrible game that one should avoid.

[BobDancer]

I understood the original post. She wants wild royal multipliers equivalent to straight flush multipliers. The thing is, the game designers are trying to mix and match pay schedules to make the math come out. If they add a bigger multiplier to the wild royals, they have to reduce the multipliers somewhere else  --- perhaps making straight flushes AND wild royals have a multiplier of 11. Would that be a better game? I don't know. It would be a different game with a different strategy. Some people would prefer it, some wouldn't, and many wouldn't realize the correct was different between the two games.Often when players want a different pay schedule, they just want MORE --- not give up something to get something else. That seems to be the case here.If you're playing the monthly contest seriously, game selection is a key part of it. If you don't like the features of one game, you need to pick another game. Limiting yourself to one game and then crying foul when it doesn't pay as much as you wish it to isn't smart gambling. If you think other games pay better in the contest, play one of the better-paying games!