Memorial Day 2012

[backsider]

Once again billy, we LOST the Vietnam war, so if communism was halted by that effort then there is still slavery even after the north defeated the south here.

[BillyJoe]

Once again billy, we LOST the Vietnam war, so if communism was halted by that effort then there is still slavery even after the north defeated the south here.
Well, as I am sure that your 'center' articulates in great detail, you have to go back to WWII to understand the rationales that were in place in that region. In short, France occupied IndoChina, the Germans overran France, Japan was an Axis ally of Germany, so Japan moved into the area. When the Axis was defeated, and Japan surrendered unconditionally, the area was given back to France, who now had little armed forces to occupy the region. The resulting vacuum of power resulted in a China-backed regime in the North, and a US-backed regime in the South.
 
As far as 'winning' or 'losing', there will never be another war where a clear-cut surrender takes place to end hostilities. Korea and Vietnam were the first examples of a containment strategy, one that is currently playing out in the Middle East. The US involvement in the conflict ran from 1955 to the fall of Saigon in 1975. To have maintained containment for 20 years allowed the world to move on, diminishing the pursuits of Communism around the world.
 
General Lee signed a surrender at Appomattox, and President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. I suggest that you take a drive sometime through the deep South, like central Mississippi, and decide for yourself if much has changed.   

[backsider]

I see where all this is coming from billy. You are bitter that we LOST the stupid Vietnam war. Some people never get over a loss, but it happens. A huge waste of time, resources, and lives ended in defeat, and a very total defeat. Now youre excuse is that wars these days are neither won or lost.

I think you need a good few days of video poker play. I also think you enjoy the challenge of a loss. Leave the wars to us. Just go play and enjoy.

[doris13]

backsider,is it your disability that has made you so bitter or were you born this way?

[Casino Knight]

Leave the wars to us.

Ok. Let us know when you're shipping out.

BTW. We were winning when I left. If I recall correctly, we won every battle, but it was the guys like McNamara,etal;, who were in the rear with the gear who lost Vietnam. Not my HEROES, who proudly served.

[backsider]

[QUOTE=backsider] Leave the wars to us.

Ok. Let us know when you're shipping out.

BTW. We were winning when I left. If I recall correctly, we won every battle, but it was the guys like McNamara,etal;, who were in the rear with the gear who lost Vietnam. Not my HEROES, who proudly served.

[/QUOTE]

Yes, it turned into a political war. Those who fought in that war were either incredibly brave heroes or useless draftees who put all the enlisted guys in jeopardy. We won all or most of the battles resulting in millions of mosquitos dead, but we lost the war nonetheless.

If I were OK and could go to war today, Id probably jump at the chance, given how easy it is to get entitlements through PTSD claims these days.

[Casino Knight]

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You just don't get it.

First off, when any man, enlistee or draftee graduated from either San Diego or Paris Island he was a U.S. Marine. PERIOD. In combat he wasn't singled out for being a draftee. He didn't put his fellow Marines at greater risk because he was draftee. He fought, bled, cried and died, just like those of us who enlisted. Not because he was drafted, but because he was an All American, U.S. Marine. I proudly served with draftees and would do so again in a heart beat. Further, based on what you have written, I'd rather fight along side a draftee than a person like you.

Just for the record, my friend and fellow Marine from White Cone, Arizona, was drafted into the U.S. Marine Corps, as was his father, a real live Code Talker during WWII. I dare you to tell him he was useless in Vietnam. Even with your electric wheel chair you couldn't carry his jock.

As for you jumping at the chance of enlisting, I truly believe that you'd try. Not out of an inner want to serve your country, like a Pat Tillman, but, like you said to serve yourself with an unearned entitlement.

One last thing, I take exception to you referring to our Vietnamese enemies as mosquitoes. If you had ever faced them you'd have learned real quick they weren't a pesky bug you could shoo away with your hand. You had to kill a man with a warriors heart or he would kill you.

With that, I'm done with you.

[Tedlark]

  I second Casino Knight backsider as you really have no right, cause, or clue for that matter when you refer to the Vietnamese people as mosquitos. The woman I have been involved with for the past several years is Vietnamese and she came here in 1974 and I am quite sure she would have something to say to you. Also I would not need you to escort me around Nellis either. I know that you have a new hobby here and it is seeing how much you can offend everyone else on this site and for that I hope someone one day takes pity on your soul. That is if you have one.

[backsider]

This is like a Republican saying something a Democrat doesnt agree with, so the dems bring up all kinds of opposing points of views no matter how uneducated it sounds.

Anyone can conjure up memories of a draftee here or a draftee there who served well. But the overriding professional military opinion is that draftees were half the soldiers enlisted men were. See also if you can remember how many enlistees cowardly ran off to Canada compared to draftees who proudly accomplished this feat.

The bravado stuff is childish. I suggest you stick to video poker.

[faygo]

IT IS TIME!