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stevel96a1
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Must hit by slots!

Post by stevel96a1 »

i know right sounds too good to be true? does it truly work?
do they exist in atlantic city and other no name casinos outside of vegas?
whats the bankroll requirement for a progressive of 500$ish?
what is the ev?
and what is the risk of ruin?

Bill sir i am waiting if anyone can answer this directly and with knowledge its you!

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Post by billryan »

There is a lot of information about must hit slots available on the web. Most games have subtle differences to them so what is true of one game. or type of game isn't true for others. People who learn how to exploit these usually want an exchange of information. Learn how to beat one machine and trade that information for learning how to beat another.

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Post by stevel96a1 »

my gut says they only exist in las vegas like most positive opportunities, but i could be wrong
and it could very well be much like vulturing but again i could be wrong
and the ev could be somewhere around 5 to 10 bucks an hour with a average joes bankroll
but i could be wrong (and with 5-10bucks an hour they can keep their must hit jackpots!)

so yea i need more data on this topic to tackle it

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Post by davidearl »

I know the ones @ Soaring Eagle Properties have a really slow clocks. I walked by one at Saganing that was at $406 ($500), and seven hrs. later, when I left, it was at $423. Someone was always on it. Never saw one at $490+ that was empty. Too rich for my blood!
I don't think they even have Video Poker Progressives anymore. Never saw one high enough to entice me, when they did. Slots Progressives would be a good way to get more free play/comps, if you could at least, break even. :ouch:

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Post by dinghy »

stevel96a1 wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 pm
my gut says they only exist in las vegas like most positive opportunities, but i could be wrong
They exist in nearly all casinos afaik, but I think they may have been more popular and common a few years ago. For each must-hit progressive, you'll see an accompanying fixed dollar amount indicating the maximum. Or the machine may display both the min and max amounts.
davidearl wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:16 am
I know the ones @ Soaring Eagle Properties have a really slow clocks.
The clock speed is essential information. You either have to play a few spins yourself, or observe another player. As a basic example, assume you find a $50 maximum currently at $46, and the progressive requires $2 coin-in to advance one cent.

On average, the jackpot will hit halfway up at $48, so you'll need to push the meter 200 cents requiring $400 coin-in.

To complete the analysis, I have to guess at the machine's payback %. Let's assume it will trim me for 15%. My $400 coin-in will cost me $60 to win a $48 jackpot. This is negative EV, so I'll have to wait for someone else to push the meter higher.

Often a $50 must-hit will have an accompanying $500-max jackpot on the same machine, so you can assume some additional value from the long-shot major jackpot potential. Slot club point value would be another add-on to the math.

Some machines only advance the progressive on winnings rather than coin-in. A few machines skew their weightings and are only likely to hit near the maximum. This information is not disclosed.

It's usually assumed that all bet amounts have the same payback %, but that's a guess. It's possible you'll be drained at a lesser rate if you max-bet.

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Post by billryan »

If it is a must hit by $200, and it resets to $100 after a hit, I rarely see it hit at $110-$120. More often than not, it seems to hit in the $190-$200 range. I had mild success with these. I hit a bunch but chasing them can get expensive.

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billryan wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:42 am
If it is a must hit by $200, and it resets to $100 after a hit, I rarely see it hit at $110-$120.
I don't have any feeling on that. Most of the levels I observe are in the lower half, but that doesn't tell me much because I know high jackpots attract players and therefore don't last very long for me to observe.

I think it's generally agreed that AGS-manufactured slots are severely skewed. Some players refer to them as "must go to" rather than "must hit by."

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dinghy wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:15 am
billryan wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:42 am
If it is a must hit by $200, and it resets to $100 after a hit, I rarely see it hit at $110-$120.
I don't have any feeling on that. Most of the levels I observe are in the lower half, but that doesn't tell me much because I know high jackpots attract players and therefore don't last very long for me to observe.

I think it's generally agreed that AGS-manufactured slots are severely skewed. Some players refer to them as "must go to" rather than "must hit by."
I'm going off limited observations, but I hardly ever see a machine that is near the beginning of a cycle and then see it reset soon after. The trouble with that is that the higher the jackpot, the more play it gets so the more likely it is to hit. I met some people that seemed to have it down to a science but I'm sure they held back some of their tricks from me.

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Post by pokerpokerpoker »

Of the ones I've watched, Ainsworth machines seem the "most random". If it is a MHB $10k, it could hit early, middle, or late. The drop on regular spins is horrific - if you don't get a bonus or a progressive you will lose quickly and badly. AGS, as mentioned above, seem to drop at the near top of the range.

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Post by dinghy »

pokerpokerpoker wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:53 am
The drop on regular spins is horrific
I believe the Ainsworths usually start at 9k moving toward 10k. I guess the manufacturer noticed that people like to play when the jackpot is high, so this is a way of offering a jackpot that always looks high.

But for the math to work, they have to slow the meter speed to a crawl and/or drop you heavily as you mentioned.

I think usually there's also a $500 minor with a more normal range starting around $250. I've noticed that almost all must-hit machines progress the major more slowly than the minor.

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