Can VP machines be programmed for low return?

[Eduardo]

All everyone claims is regulation says that the draw and re-deal are to be random.  There is no law saying that if 4 to the Royal come only pick the case card every 1 in 100 draws. 
 
Actually I think this is incorrect. I think the laws are that the odds must match an actual 52 card deck (53 with jokers).
 
So the odds are exactly 1 in 47 when drawing on 4 to the royal for class 3 machines. That's my understanding any way.

[shadowman]

You are right, Eduardo. All card selections on the deal and draw are required to be random. Since each card is random, each dealt hand and final result will also be random.
 
It's all there in the regulations if people take the time to read them.
 
http://gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs/reg14.pdf

[shadowman]

There is no law saying that if 4 to the Royal come only pick the case card every 1 in 100 draws. 
 
Actually there is. Read section 14.040.

[spxChrome]

Well there you have your answer.  If its written on paper and approved by "The Chairman" then there is no other way it could ever work.

[shadowman]

People can (and will) believe anything they want. The point is the regulations are clear. If the machines don't work as required the manufacturer of the machine could lose their license to sell machines. Doesn't make much sense for a company to risk their entire business when they have little to nothing to gain.
 
Same holds for the casinos since they already can increase their take by legally reducing the return through poorer paytables.

[pokeherguy]

I think many on this site know where I stand on this matter. Don't have much to complain about since I started playing back at Harrah's/Tunica though, other than I have to remember to wear my jacket everytime I play. Just during the last couple weeks playing $2 DDB I've hit: 1-royal, 5-quad aces, 1-quad 2's w/kicker, 7-quad 2's,3's & 4's. Sure is funny how just burning a little more fuel can make such a big difference.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=spxChrome]All everyone claims is regulation says that the draw and re-deal are to be random.  There is no law saying that if 4 to the Royal come only pick the case card every 1 in 100 draws. 
 
Actually I think this is incorrect. I think the laws are that the odds must match an actual 52 card deck (53 with jokers).
 
So the odds are exactly 1 in 47 when drawing on 4 to the royal for class 3 machines. That's my understanding any way.[/QUOTE] 
Yes, ED, the odds are 1 in 47 on ANY given draw. But remember, history means nothing. EVERY one card draw is 1 in 47, so it doesn't matter how many times you attempted that 1 card hit in the past, the next opportunity is STILL 1 in 47. It may seem that you are "due", since maybe you haven't hit that RF filler in a while, but the "Law of Independent Trials" makes the odds exactly the same each time. So if you are lucky enough to catch, revel in the fact that you beat the odds.  

[shadowman]

Another thing to think about is the odds of drawing ANY card holding 4RF is 1 in 47. So, the 2S or 5D is also 1 in 47. It might help to realize that whatever card comes up had an equal chance as the 5th RF card. So, drawing to a 1 in 47 chance isn't really all that difficult. 

[BillyJoe]

Another thing to think about is the odds of drawing ANY card holding 4RF is 1 in 47. So, the 2S or 5D is also 1 in 47. It might help to realize that whatever card comes up had an equal chance as the 5th RF card. So, drawing to a 1 in 47 chance isn't really all that difficult. 
I would consider a 2.13% chance of hitting a particular card in one draw as pretty difficult.

[Eduardo]

It's actually not difficult at all. You just press a button and the machine does the rest of the work.
 
Raking leaves... that's difficult, and I've never gotten $1,000 for it neither.