2014 Reveiw & why I changed to the one coin system

[olds442jetaway]

olds, maybe you should think of playing VP, like drinking your beer. you can guzzle the beer, get hammered and get in trouble. but, if you take your time drinking, enjoy it and have a good time. same with VP, slow down, enjoy it and we will not lose our #&%!
     That sounds good. Like vman and most people, I take a sip on a decent winning hand. I guess that is why my beer got warm last year... ....

[luvzlyfe]

 Beautiful wins!  Did you get a RF on "The Dudes" a/k/a Triple Trouble!  That is one of my fave games....they have nickel single line at Coconut Creek but have never really done anything spectacular on them!!

[olds442jetaway]

Just back from trip # 4 for 2015. Slowed my play down, but still managed to play about 5,000 hands evenly split between Fla Phil's one coin on regular Deuces Wild and my Martingale clone on Double Down Stud Deuces Wild. Unfortunatley, both methods failed for me this trip. My losses were lower on the Phil method though. No deuces quads, and no big hands on the Double Down Stud game. The wife played a little nickel Multi Streak and the rest was quarter job. We both felt the feel of the machines was back to the usual in 2014. I saw no hand pays in the casino and heard no jackpot music going off. Had a good chicken parm dinner last night in the lounge and really good breakfast buffet this morning. Not much else to say. Pretty big hit for me though wiping out my 2015 gains and then some. I did notice one thing and I may try this next time. Late at night when the casino was dead, I decieded to walk around and try and catch one net winning hand per machine then cash out. I played straight 5 quarters on a 9/6 job game. I cashed out at least a dollar profit from 23 machines before I got tired of playing this way. I decided to stay on the 24th machine and play one coin deuces instead but it was dud hand city with no 5 of a kinds or Wild Royals.

[notes1]

olds, you stated you lost about $50k last year or $4k/month.how about setting a goal of cutting the loss to $3k/month? that might be a more realistic goal for a couple that plays as often as you do. instead of being disappointed about not winning, accept that it is more likely one is going to lose, but, the entertainment value is worth an amount you can accept. 

[FloridaPhil]

[QUOTE]instead of being disappointed about not winning, accept that it is more
likely one is going to lose, but, the entertainment value is worth an
amount you can accept.[/Quote] This quote gets right to the heart of the question of why we play video poker.  If your goal is to win money long term, pack your bags move to Vegas and start following Dancer around. If your goal is entertainment, the admission price is totally up to you.  To me, it's more fun to play cheap.  I don't get depressed when I lose and I can sit back and just have fun.  They let me walk through the same door as everyone else and dinners and rooms cost me much less than most high rollers pay after their losses.  If you learn to live with small wins, you can play longer enjoy yourself more and end up with a lot more money.  

[luvzlyfe]

OK, I went to Coconut Creek yesterday to try it "the Phil Way".  Sorry, but this picture frustrated me more than you could know....Is the point of the exercise spending only .25 each hand?  What was always drummed into me was "max bet max bet" but also "max bet to what you can afford"..  This is the reason I pay nickels.  Because I'm such a low level player, it pissed me off no end that I won $63 instead of $500.  Phil, I'm not trying to dismiss your system, but maybe it works only for those people who are high end players?  Would love your input on this.

[olds442jetaway]

olds, you stated you lost about $50k last year or $4k/month.how about setting a goal of cutting the loss to $3k/month? that might be a more realistic goal for a couple that plays as often as you do. instead of being disappointed about not winning, accept that it is more likely one is going to lose, but, the entertainment value is worth an amount you can accept. 

    Part of my New Year's resolution already. That along with losing weight and more exercise....( those are the usual ones.) Light Dumbells work great for me at my age...Of course, the wife says they are perfect for me.

[olds442jetaway]

Phil will respond back I'm sure. With his method, you will win the small quads most of the time and the big wins will be few long term. It works for Phil and keeps losses way down. That is the whole idea. I think it is good for most players. I just can't seem to connect with it due to my long cold streak with a few blip exceptions. I may just have to play one coin period for the 2015 year. No matter what the experts say, if one keeps track, there are many more wins percentage wise with one coin bet that with max coins bet. I don't know if this is by design, but I think it could be. Luckily, there are still a handfull of spin poker nickel machines at Mohegan Sun that pay the correct amount 800 for one for a nickel bet. That probably won't last, but for now with this cold streak hanging on, that will be the way to go for me. I can still play the Phil method with it, just play the center line and max bet on these machines in 10 coins if I want to get crazy after a win of 4 or more.
     Just a note to add...With airport deuces wild, a winn of 4 or more comes along about every 14 hands. In that 14 number, there will be wins of between 1 and 3 coins 2.7 times long term. This is easy to figure out. You can go to the Wizard of Odds site and look at the return tables for this game. Under the probability section, there will be a decimal for the particular event. In round numbers as an example, the probability of hitting a Royal is .000023. One divided by that decimal is about 43,500. So you will hit a royal long term every 43,500 hands in round numbers.
     If you want to know how often one of a group of events will happen for instance a win of 4 or more, just add up the probability decimals for wins of 4 or more. Then divide 1 by that total and you will see how often that event will happen long term. As posted above, about every 14 hands or so long term.

[FloridaPhil]

I'm not sure what game you were playing because a one coin quarter quad
deuce pays $50 in the deuces wild games that I play.  Also, I see you are playing a game that
only pays three coins for a full house.  The cheap strategy works best on a standard single line deuces wild game that pays 4 coins for a 4-of-a-kind and 4 coins for a full house.  If you use the cheap strategy on any other video poker game, it won't work as well.  It especially won't work on a program with a low pay schedule on the bottom end and a big bonus jackpot like Ultimate X or Super Times Pay.   That said, you did win $63 didn't you?  A win is a win no matter what.  You could have just as easily hit a max coin quad deuce on the next hand.  Before I started playing the Cheap Strategy I had days when I hit a max coin royal and came home a loser.  I even won $13,000 in one day and managed to give it all back.  It doesn't matter what you win, it's what happens to your bankroll over a long period of time.  On the other hand if hitting a single coin quad deuce or royal bothers you more than losing money, play max coins all the time.  I'm not preaching or selling anything here.  I'm just giving recreational players an alternative to losing a ton of money just to play a video game.

[luvzlyfe]

Phil, I'm not criticizing your strategy.  I always try something out.  Since you're also a Floridian, you know about pay tables and how sh*tty they are in FL.  The question that I have (and still have) is....is your strategy more towards the high roller who will play dollars + or the little guy like me who likes the game, and plays nickels because that's all her bankroll will allow.