$2000 Oooops

[olds442jetaway]

Sorry LL. Still nice to see the cards lined up anyway. This won't happen, but I would love to see all of the vp players who post here to keep track of their play just playing 1 coin all day for a few sessions. I think the reports on premium hand hits would be astounding.

[Lucky Larry]

An olde English proverb, "A fool and his money are soon parted." That old sage advice is still pretty relevant. Making conscious decisions often means you have to learn to live with the decision's consequences.   It's not the first time I've missed on a full RF (see previous posts) nor probably the last time i'll ever play one credit. Not playing max credit was a conscious decision on my part and to quote and another oldie from L Gore, "it's my party and I can cry if I want to...." My decision was to leave with the last $200 of my bank roll which I did.         

[Vman96]

Sorry LL. Still nice to see the cards lined up anyway. This won't happen, but I would love to see all of the vp players who post here to keep track of their play just playing 1 coin all day for a few sessions. I think the reports on premium hand hits would be astounding.

I hope to disagree with you, fwiw. Mainly because I have a tiny hope in lawmakers in over a dozen states...maybe two dozen by now *shrug*...

Casinos still win with Larry's kind of play, assuming they don't give away too many comps in comparison. Well, they may not win on Larry particularly...but the casino patrons as a whole.

[Lucky Larry]

[QUOTE=notes1]

 i agree with Phil, and i will take it a step further. i do not pay much attention to those who only mention the good hits, only talk about the wins and fail remind us of the losses. 

Isn't that what Larry generally does though? This is the first time I can recall him showing anything really cringe-worthy. Especially since he could have bet 5 lines at 5 quarters with the same amount risked per round. Not that I mind he keeps most reports to the bigger wins. Enough people complain about losing on this forum anyway...

And to keep with the Lucky Larry idea, from everything I read about how these things work, if he was playing max credits, all his timing would be off and he may not have even hit a Royal at all that day if he was betting max. At least that's the more positive way to look at it anyway.[/QUOTE]

You're exactly right. Had I been playing full credit I wouldn't have hit the RF or If I'd been a micro-nano-second slower or faster. I have been exceedingly lucky and blessed throughout my life. I recall posting last spring about the 8-10 straight losing sessions but knew the streak would be over eventually. All of us regular players also know that for every winning hand there are hundreds or thousands of losing hands in VP. Playing VP is always a long term losing proposition for all of us. Even though I practice for hours weekly to try to reach 100% correct play, it will never be a long term winning game. Only a few professionals have the ability, access to 100%+ machines and the bankroll to come out winners. We play for the entertainment, enjoyment and are lucky enough (or play enough hands-a million + hands/year) to hit some nice hands.

I can bemoan my decision to play one but I met my goal of leaving with the last of my bank roll. For me life is better when I look at the negative and make it into an opportunity to grow and find a positive. I began work at 15 for .35/hour but was able to retire with almost full pay at 56. Worked all through my 6 years of college but earned post graduate degrees that gave me a white collar job (educator/principal). Went through a horrible divorce after many years of marriage but it led to finding my "soul mate". Had my first heart procedure at 48 but learned to refocus on my family and health. Growing up poor taught me to appreciate the money I have. I generally only post the positive hits because no one wants to see millions of losing hands.

I'll try to be more sensitive with my posting, I realize not everyone shares the blessing and luck that I've always had.

[notes1]

[QUOTE=Vman96] [QUOTE=notes1]
 i agree with Phil, and i will take it a step further. i do not pay much attention to those who only mention the good hits, only talk about the wins and fail remind us of the losses. 

Isn't that what Larry generally does though? This is the first time I can recall him showing anything really cringe-worthy. Especially since he could have bet 5 lines at 5 quarters with the same amount risked per round. Not that I mind he keeps most reports to the bigger wins. Enough people complain about losing on this forum anyway...

And to keep with the Lucky Larry idea, from everything I read about how these things work, if he was playing max credits, all his timing would be off and he may not have even hit a Royal at all that day if he was betting max. At least that's the more positive way to look at it anyway.[/QUOTE]

I'll try to be more sensitive with my posting, I realize not everyone shares the blessing and luck that I've always had.

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 LL if you are anyone else thinks my post was intended as finding fault, it was not, i apologize. my intent was to agree with phil, that it took 'guts' to make your post. i also remember you making a number of posts about a losing streak, so you have certainly posted both the good and the bad. 

[Tedlark]

Don't casinos win with people who use Phil's method by paying out 250 credits instead of 4,000?

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Tedlark]Don't casinos win with people who use Phil's method by paying out 250 credits instead of 4,000?[/quote]No, they win by busting people who are giving away all their money chasing royals.


  Seriously, I never advocated playing single coin all the time.  The Cheap Strategy is a "progressive" strategy where you make max coin bets in rhythm with the game.  The idea is to limit your losses and keep your max coin wins.  If everyone played that way, players would keep a lot more of their money and the casinos would go broke overnight. 

[Tedlark]

  Phil I am neither an advocate of, or a critic of, The Cheap Strategy. What I am an advocate of though is that; people play at whatever level, at whatever pace, at whatever style, whatever game, they are most comfortable with. I have always been a max coin player in part because people smarter than me said to play max coin and if that meant playing at a reduced value, then so be it because playing max coin is the second best way to extract the best value from the machine and the first being playing optimal paytables.      As you mentioned, casinos win by busting people who are giving their money away chasing royals. But casinos also know that these same players will hit premium hands that could balance the sheet or even tilt it in favor of this player.  Casinos would much rather watch the player with less than max coin in not play the machine to their fullest advantage.    I personally wouldn't like getting dealt a royal on 10 play .25 denom and collecting $625.00 in lieu of getting dealt a royal on 10 play .05 denom and collecting $2,000.00.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Tedlark]I personally wouldn't like getting dealt a royal on 10 play .25
denom and collecting $625.00 in lieu of getting dealt a royal on 10 play
.05 denom and collecting $2,000.00.[/quote]I totally agree.  I would never play single coin on a multiple line game.  I only play single line games and I believe the saving of playing with the Cheap Strategy is worth more than the risk of hitting a single coin royal to most recreational players. When I do hit one at max coins, it's even sweeter. 

[onemoretry]

No, they win by busting people who are giving away all their money chasing royals.
   
Seriously, I never advocated playing single coin all the time.  The Cheap Strategy is a "progressive" strategy where you make max coin bets in rhythm with the game.  The idea is to limit your losses and keep your max coin wins.  If everyone played that way, players would keep a lot more of their money and the casinos would go broke overnight. 


In rhythm with the game? In reality, there is no such thing.

Sure, if you can somehow arrange to win big, and lose small, you can win. But, there is absolutely no way at all to foresee a big hand coming, and bet more at that time to win more.

Your strategy works for you, and that's fine.

But, as I stated in a previous post, if I owned a casino, I would be extremely happy to have it populated by players willingly giving me an additional one to one and a half percent advantage. And, no matter how you dress it up, that is what playing short coin does.