Are These Games Rigged?

[Tedlark]

Phil I suggest that you make a visit to the Gaming Commission office and report your findings. I seem to recall reading a post that stated that their office is on Tennessee Avenue.

[billryan]

   It used to be across from The Irish Pub, at the base of Snake Alley.

[FAA]

Ed technique seems rational and easy to implement. I should do it myself to spice up my dull games. I know I've gotten the same value card. But it could simply be a suit variation.

[olds442jetaway]

     I'm assuming Phil that you and the Mrs. really saw what you saw. If that's the case, this is a really big deal and needs to be followed up on.

[case]

We have been playing in AC for the last three days. We are staying at the Borgata and it's a very nice hotel. One of the reasons we wanted to come here was to check out forum reports of rigged VP machines. I thought these reports were being made by players who blamed their poor results on the machines. To be honest, I have never seen a VP machine that I thought was not completely fair, until now. Rather than make accusations, I will report what we have seen and let the reader decide.

On various VP machines throughout the casino when a card is discarded it blinks on the draw but is not replaced. My wife first noticed this when she held 4 cards and discarded the eight of spades. The eight of spades remained on the draw spin. When she showed me we started looking for it. We found this happens randomly throughout the casino at different times. After three days of solid play, neither one of us has hit a quad deuce and regular quads are very rare.

I assume this would be very difficult for a weekend player to spot. We don't know if it would show up in a test of the CPU and RNG software. We are cutting our trip short by a day and moving on to the Mohegan Sun.

    


You just gave daburgler a hard on with this post!

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil] We have been playing in AC for the last three days. We are staying at the Borgata and it's a very nice hotel. One of the reasons we wanted to come here was to check out forum reports of rigged VP machines. I thought these reports were being made by players who blamed their poor results on the machines. To be honest, I have never seen a VP machine that I thought was not completely fair, until now. Rather than make accusations, I will report what we have seen and let the reader decide.

On various VP machines throughout the casino when a card is discarded it blinks on the draw but is not replaced. My wife first noticed this when she held 4 cards and discarded the eight of spades. The eight of spades remained on the draw spin. When she showed me we started looking for it. We found this happens randomly throughout the casino at different times. After three days of solid play, neither one of us has hit a quad deuce and regular quads are very rare.

I assume this would be very difficult for a weekend player to spot. We don't know if it would show up in a test of the CPU and RNG software. We are cutting our trip short by a day and moving on to the Mohegan Sun.

    


You just gave daburgler a hard on with this post![/QUOTE]

Not so much


Phil, what are you up or down total so far? What's been your return%?

My years of posts questioning some aspects of integrity and oversight in AC were based almost exclusively on two things:

1) an absurdly anomalous, statistically abysmal return/result from playing mostly 99% games.... I mean way out of bounds, beyond three standard deviations.

2) the widespread and reknowkned problems of ac itself, the removal or "gutting" of much of the oversight and the sheer desperation of most of the casinos there just to survive during the post recession drag....

I'm fascinated by what you are reporting you saw, and to be sure it Sparks more questions. Try and do what Eduardo is suggesting.

[FloridaPhil]

We are traveling today. What we reported is fact. We played a little last night and saw it a few more times. It seems to be on the older machines. Heading to the Mohegan Sun. If you guys in AC want to follow up fine. I don't want to get involved. I posted what we both saw for the benefit of the forum.

[Eduardo]

My guess is the older machines do appear a little different than what you are used to... and that "blink" is throwing you off, causing you to reevaluate differently than usual, and you are mistaking the suit on the card flip. Either that or you've just proven these AC players are complete morons for not noticing in many years what it took you a couple days to see on a very regular basis.Were these "Game King" machines Phil or something else?

[markinca]

Which is more likely:

That these machines, which we already know are older and have presumably been in operation for decades, have been malfunctioning the entire time, and Phil and his wife, in just a brief VP session, are seemingly the only ones to have seen this, yet have no video/photo evidence, or

Phil and his wife didn't see what they thought they saw.

Occam's Razor, people.

[Carcounter]

I have been playing at the Borgata since they opened in 2003. I have never seen this happen, but I will look more closely.