Royalless streak continues

[roveer]

I have also tried spin poker at Mohegan Sun where up to 20 hands at a time can be played. I am not even counting those results in my nearly 500k hands of misses. If I did count the misses on all 20 lines, the total hands played would be between 700k and 800k without a Royal. This weekend I plan to split my time between Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods. I don't really like the atmosphere at Foxwoods, but they have a few 100 play draw poker machines that begin with a 5 cent denomination. Multiple games are in there too. The return odds are not good and average 95-97% for the various games, but at this point the 99% machines at Mohegan have turned into 95% machines for me so what the heck. I'll give it a try. If I use the Martingale clone method on the 100 play, I will have tremendous flexability on how many hands to play, what denomination, and what games. Will report back how it goes. I hope Billy's ESP is right this time.
 My experience on the hundred handed machines is that they don't seem to produce the same results as the other similar type VP machines that I play.  Infrequent Quads and the version I play has the STP variation and you go long periods of time before you get a multiplier.  Luckily they have it in penny play so I like to noodle around when I'm inbetween sessions.  I'd say to stay away unless your just playing for recreation. Roveer 

[roveer]

love that stp dance love 10x
 I've had some wonderful hits on high multipliers.  There's nothing better.  I think this past trip I was looking at 2 aces dealt watching the multiplier decide and then was handed another Ace.  That'll get your heart pounding.  Of course it bonked and I ended up with a bunch of 3OAK's and maybe a FH but it's pretty much what I play for. Roveer 

[BillyJoe]

I am not as disciplined as you, Roveer, to give my sequence of playing a name, like 'gapping technique'. I do, however, take longer breaks between hands when I feel the machine is just shutting down. My thought is that I want it to move to another section of the RNG string where there may be some more favorable cards.  

[spxChrome]

This is true and unless he has just hit, SPX is not far behind me. I hope for his sake he has.

Nope still dead. I just can't believe it. This is all single line $1 9/6 DDB with some double deuces mixed in... usually only when the machine seems totally dead I play deuces as my money last a little longer. I play extremely fast at least 800 hands an hour or maybe even 1,000+. I get comments on it all the time how fast I play. Even the slot techs have never seen someone play so fast. Going to give it a go again tomorrow *fingers crossed*.

And toes crossed that it doesn't cost me $5000 when I do it

[roveer]

I am not as disciplined as you, Roveer, to give my sequence of playing a name, like 'gapping technique'. I do, however, take longer breaks between hands when I feel the machine is just shutting down. My thought is that I want it to move to another section of the RNG string where there may be some more favorable cards.  

Don't even get me started about discipline. I'm having a terrible bout with stopping when ahead.

When I've determined the machine has shut down I try to quit it altogether occasionally testing it to veriffy that it's still dead. I've seen machines be dead for 12 hours or more only to become resurrected magically at the turn of the hour. It's a whole new level of play stratedgy and one I monitor closely. I've had times where I play all 4 of my STP machines dead and move on to table games or UX or get out of dodge.

I've often thought about playing through the number string but I've also given to the thought that the machines will at times declare a new epoch. This is a term that comes from computer programming and time sensitive systems. It's like starting over. Possibly a rng reseed or similar. Again another crazy Roveer theory but based in some degree of technical knowledge that probably has no place in VP. Again, makes me think that I know what's going on.

I'm either absolutely crazy or someone at action gaming is going WTF right now

Roveer

[roveer]

[QUOTE=olds442jetaway] This is true and unless he has just hit, SPX is not far behind me. I hope for his sake he has.

Nope still dead. I just can't believe it. This is all single line $1 9/6 DDB with some double deuces mixed in... usually only when the machine seems totally dead I play deuces as my money last a little longer. I play extremely fast at least 800 hands an hour or maybe even 1,000+. I get comments on it all the time how fast I play. Even the slot techs have never seen someone play so fast. Going to give it a go again tomorrow *fingers crossed*.

And toes crossed that it doesn't cost me $5000 when I do it
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Think of me as Chris Ferguson just a little bit faster. Very deliberate in my play and not racing

Roveer

[olds442jetaway]

I usually play about 600 hands an hour. Could play more, but the vp machines are old and the buttons are iffy on some of them. Even the deal buttons are worn out. These are mostly game king machines. They are the only ones at Mohegan Sun that offer 9/6. I have also noticed that when I am losing, I get more anxious to hurry up and hit a hand and speed up my play. This seems to have a negative effect. The last few trips I have resorted to gaps in varying amounts, short BS sessions with other players or the wife, etc. While the Royal hasn't hit, quads and full houses have increased. I know that the Royal comes in a little less often on Deuces Wild, but I have hit them as well as on Joker Kings in prior years. My only hand pay this year was actually on Deuces and that is because I was playing Martingale Clone and had 21 quarters in. I think there is something to this gap theory. Whenever I get tapped out for the session and there are a couple of coins left there is always a gap in playing the last hand because you think about do I really want to short coin the machine or just cash out. Almost every time, the last play on the machine has produced a winner of some sort. One final thing I have noticed. When quads aren't hitting, full houses usually are. Sometimes 3 or 4 of them in a half dozen hands and sometimes back to back. In prior years, at the other casino, I have had good luck on the hundred play machines, but I don't think flat betting would have worked. On job, I go up one line after 2 or 3 dud hands and continue this sequence until I get a hit of 2 pair or better. On a hit, I back down at least 2 lines and sometimes more on flushes, full houses, or quads. They pulled the penny 100 play and now it is nickels and up. Quite a few of the locals who only live a few minutes away were nailing these machines for a few bucks like lunch or gas money and splitting. The casino got tired of it and lowered the paytables and increased denominations. The best bonus poker on these I can get is 6/5 or 7/5 job. I am not usually a DDB player, but may give it a try too. Wife does pretty well with it and on TDB too. I don't like STP myself, but have seef a few dealt Royals over the years with multipliers. Big big bucks when that happens. Will see what happens this weekend. Thanks for the input.

[kennybobby]

After reading these, I'd just like to take a sec and thank many of you--I never would've considered myself lucky, and certainly not even allowed into Billy's stadium, but I'll have to quit the whining now and be happy when my accountant charges so much extra due to the large stack of w2g's. Good Luck and remember to stay in good with atm--he's a nice guy.

[olds442jetaway]

I have one more interesting thing I have discovered while playing on Frugal Video Poker. There is a program in there and I imagine Bob Dancer's program and others have it too that let the computer play a set number of hands. When I set the program to play 500k hands, using 5 coins in on 9/6 job, I have never come up empty on Royals no matter how many trials I do. The trial for that many hands only takes a minute or so. The results are almost always 99%-101% for that many hands.
     When I set the program for anywhere between 5,000 and 8,000 hands, it is common not to get at least one Royal and quite often the total return is in the 95% range. That number represents my long term results (95%)
      Now I can see what the casino is hoping for. In an average session, you will run out of time to play before you hit the Royal. They get to keep about 5% of coin in which on a quarter game will be between 400- and $500.
      If you are lucky and hit early in a session, they hope of course that you will stay and maybe play at a higher level and give most of it back. That makes sense for them too.
      What still makes me suspicious of the video poker programs they have is that I cannot duplicate my results running a program of play with 500k hands and not hitting at least one Royal. I imagine Vman or someone could tell me how many 500k trials I would need to duplicate my no Royal results. I have not been able to to it in my practice sessions on the computer.
      This weekend will be the last one for me at Mohegan Sun as far as vp goes. However, if I do hit the Royal, I will have to think about things a little more. I love the game, but craps keeps calling my name as far as my wallet goes. Everyone have a safe, healthy, and successful weekend.

[spxChrome]

remember to stay in good with atm

Lately that is the only machine I have been winning at