Distressing CET VP Stories

[Tedlark]

  Vman does posterity involve skill more than luck? Or more luck than skill?

[Vman96]

  Vman does posterity involve skill more than luck? Or more luck than skill?

No idea, but if I was DaBurglar and constantly claiming AC was "rigged", no way I would admit I hit a dollar Royal in such short order! If he fairly included that result into his constant "92%, woe is me results", then AC must surely be rigged!

[edog743]

Posterity isn't that the last part of you to enter the casino?"

[BillyJoe]

  The point I was trying to make is that if you hit a nice payout early in a session and if the payout puts you up then you are above the 83% payback rate that, under your assumption, AC casinos have most of their video poker set to payback. By your own admission above, you were beating the payback percentages. Remember the adage from the movie "Casino"? The secret is to keep them playing and then we will eventually get it all.
Exactly right, Ted. That is why, IMO, for the recreational player, money management and good comps are the only way to finish ahead playing VP anywhere. Regardless of pay tables, the game will beat you over time if you keep playing.

[olds442jetaway]

Posterity isn't that the last part of you to enter the casino?"

Front, back, or sideways, in casino terms, posterity means us and all future generations coming into the casino will lose if we never leave. LOL.

[olds442jetaway]

  Speaking of "dud rates" I heard a line in the Clint Eastwood movie titled "Trouble with the Curve." Justin Timberlake's character says that a batter, to achieve that magical .300 batting average number, fails to get a hit 7 out of 10 times.


Guess I will be heading back to the minors next season. My batting average is worse than most pitchers. Maybe if cut my session times in half, I could at least make it back to AAA ball.

[Tedlark]

  Hey olds don't forget that Babe Ruth was originally a pitcher.

[Tedlark]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]  The point I was trying to make is that if you hit a nice payout early in a session and if the payout puts you up then you are above the 83% payback rate that, under your assumption, AC casinos have most of their video poker set to payback. By your own admission above, you were beating the payback percentages. Remember the adage from the movie "Casino"? The secret is to keep them playing and then we will eventually get it all.
Exactly right, Ted. That is why, IMO, for the recreational player, money management and good comps are the only way to finish ahead playing VP anywhere. Regardless of pay tables, the game will beat you over time if you keep playing. [/QUOTE]


  This is also where discipline comes in to play as well billyjoe. The recreational player MUST know when to walk away if they have reached a win stop if they have one. I have ended many sessions when I was up a comfortable enough amount and depending on where I was playing I would go do something else. If in Las Vegas I'd go workout or take a nap, I have gone to the mall or even just went for a drive. If I was local then I'd just leave and head home.

[olds442jetaway]

  Hey olds don't forget that Babe Ruth was originally a pitcher.

How could I forget? I do remember in one of the old movies years ago, he pitched the ball back out through the hole he made in a broken window. Dare I to aspire to his greatness in vp? I think I will at least try and keeping my sessions shorter will definitely help. Very very few times have I not been ahead at some point during the day.

[DaBurglar]

I dont get why everyone else refuses to get what I have been saying..... Vman and Ted cant understand why I "admitted" to some wins in AC?   jeez thats kinda insulting first of all.....its like saying "wow I am shocked Daburglar answered honestly!"   or "I am shocked Daburglar is reasonable enough to include the other side of things in his argument/belief!"  I have stated all along that people do, and still hit SOMETIMES in AC on VP games, and that includes me......BUT my overall rate is still what it is, and almost ALL the good hits I have gotten in AC were, as I pointed out, 2011 or before.....almost nothing the last 2 plus years!!! I have stated, and been told, and seen:   some VP machines in AC are clearly set to return a percentage in the low "Slot territory" (like 86% or 88%  etc)     Some machines are totally left alone to return what the PAYTABLE is implying (like a 8/5 Bonus Poker machine in Resorts may return the 99.3% we expect, BUT the 8/5 BP machine right next to it may have been set to deal more duds to lower its return all the way down to 91%, etc....)     Thats how it works in AC these days, and it slowly degenerated and progressed to this point over the last 6-7 years (starting around 2006) as the market became VERY tough and ACs revenue fell (and fell and fell and fell) such that from 2006 to Today/2013  AC is taking in exactly 50% of the TOTAL revenue than it did at the beginning of that period!  Do you all comprehent just how much of a drop (50%) that is in terms of not just MONEY but psychologically,  and what that does to people, their mindset and thought process????    I mean seriously, how can this be so hard to get/grasp?  And as for me personally, I am NOT simply a casual/recreational player, nor am I professional.......the last 6 months I have not been much of anything as I only play enough VP to keep a minimal level of comps and activity on some of my hotel player cards, but prior to this I played to win and I know the correct plays and strategy on the games I typically choose to play.   I keep very detailed records and have a near photographic memory, and I am a Harvard Graduate with a degree in Economics and Government (i'm only stating this so people know I am not an idiot no matter how much you want to think or believe that I am!   )   Bottom line is, even a VP machine set to return 83% will STILL poop out a Royal and some quads now and then, and SURE, if you are lucky enough to catch it right early in your playing session you could end up way AHEAD! But I am telling you, and I am telling you, Video Poker in Atlantic City is TOTALLY different than Nevada (and probably lots of other gaming locales too but I have not played there.)    I have 20 years experience in Nevada (vegas and Reno, but I have not really played seriously in either location in the past 3-1/2 years)   and I have 4-1/2 years in AC (since 2009 it has been my main gaming spot)    so I know what I am talking about.    It has just been a work in progress, I did not start going to AC to find all this out or prove anything, I just went to play!  and I assumed (albeit wrongly I now see) that the VP rules and regs were the same.......after 2 plus years I started to see some horribly aberrant results, did some digging and asking while contnuing to play and keep score, and this is where I am now!