Just a thought

[shadowman]

Am I the only one who has no idea what this all means?

I think it means Sam had no idea what the physics professor was talking about. Not that there are that many people who would understand a physics discussion.

Now, since we are discussing basic math and not physics, one wonders why the subject of weights and measures is even brought up.

[Tedlark]

Physics is very easy to link to video poker. The credit meter goes up goes down, goes up goes down, not too tough.

[Vman96]

All I can say is you're lucky to have positive return games availible, we don't around here, the best to be found is 98.98%.

Tunica still has 8/5 Super Aces (99.94%) and tons of games above 99%. One dollar unit at Fitz and two units at Roadhouse from ranging quarters to $5 (upright Game Kings below the old Jackpot party progressive sign - 3rd and 6th units only in that bank of 8).

Unfortunately 40/10/6 DDB and 99.96% DW44 are gone.

The best DDB available is 9/6 DDB with Super Times Pay for 3-play 25c, 50c, $1 (99.26% w/STP bet). It's also at Roadhouse. I need to write up my full update for VPFree2, but I have been lazy.

And LOL at the rambling nonsense on not using the metric system. I'm glad I didn't learn physics from that professor; I might have flunked out of engineering if I did.

[sam434343]

I see the math experts don't understand so they try to thro insults because there little babies/kids math experts.( I want get my way(Iam right) I am a math expert) lol! Let me go slow so you can understand(math experts/engineers) the metric system does the same as are measurement system (USA)but the numbers don't match(totally different numbers) but do the same measurement distance, did I go slow enuff for you to understand.(math experts/ engineer)Oh! I get it you don't understand because all you know is what math you were taught! This was on old post that shadowman said he make me look bad in any University these are numbers are different but measure the same distance. The Professor already new you kids would act like this, so he said going to talk to your mothers so be good kids.lol!

[Eduardo]

Silly people with knowledge, who can formulate sentences!

Why would anyone listen to them!

[ravenbynight111]

Nice answers about returns and pcts.the truth of the matter is  it is still pie in the sky.I have heard the returns vary from state how the pct of the paypack is basied on the life of the machine.I have heard it applies to all video  poker machines in the casino.I post this a 18 months ago that 4 or 5 people playing  basic jacks or better all started with a hundred and the best hand was a fullhouse.All the players lost there seed money so the return pct was 0. i have a corner store by my home and they sell a ton of scratchoffs.Last week the sign in there store said they paid out 5457.oo in payouts,They sell about 80k per month in tickets,The payoff amount here putting out, includes the tickets that break even. We all have had plenty of them.The same as job, your dealt a pair of kings and draw you end up with the kings, you do win and you dont lose.My point is the payout at the store is not a true number as a pct or winning tickets.Math can take you any where you want to take it. Shawdow as fare as baseball facing a good pitcher and pct the players know before the game who they facing and if a great pitcher they know.A VP player has know idea who he is facing today good machine, bad machine,baseball numbers are real, video poker are not.

[BillyJoe]

For what it is worth, my view of Expected Return in VP, based on the pay table and using optimal strategy, is this.

If you gave me an unlimited bankroll, I could sit at ONE machine and play ONE game (say 9/6 JOB single line) every day for the rest of my life (I am 63 right now), and only then would I even have a chance to APPROACH the ER of 9/6 JOB, much less hit it, before you put me down.  
 
Video Poker, like any randomly dealt game from a single 52 card shuffled deck, follows the law of "independent trials". This means that, whatever happened before, has NO INFLUENCE on what happens next. Every sequence of cards has the same chance of appearing hand to hand.
 
So to talk about hot and cold streaks, even year to year results, is really kinda silly. It is what it is. You are either fortunate or you are not. That is why money management is so important to the recreational VP player.  
 
And this is coming from a "Video Poker Master", since WebMan says I am in my posting title on this Forum.

[Tedlark]

But billyjoe shadowman has over twice as many posts as you do yet he is only ranked as a master also. I wonder though if he is like a 2nd or maybe 3rd degree master?

[shadowman]

Here's a little test. A player sits down at a quarter machine that returns 98% and inserts $100. He plays 800 hands/hour and plays for 5 hours. He finally loses his money after the full 5 hours. What was the machine's return during this play?

Did you say zero? Well, I think we can all agree the player lost his entire investment. However, he played 4000 hands @ 1.25 per hand. That was a total investment of $5000. Of this $5000 the machine returned $4900. Therefore, the machines return was 4900/5000 or 98%. The exact expected return of the machine.

The point is you cannot just look at the money won or lost to determine your payback for any given session. You have to look at all the hands played.

[Vman96]

The machine's hold was 100%...lol

I see the math experts don't understand so they try to thro insults because there little babies/kids math experts.( I want get my way(Iam right) I am a math expert) lol! Let me go slow so you can understand(math experts/engineers) the metric system does the same as are measurement system (USA)but the numbers don't match(totally different numbers) but do the same measurement distance, did I go slow enuff for you to understand.(math experts/ engineer)Oh! I get it you don't understand because all you know is what math you were taught! This was on old post that shadowman said he make me look bad in any University these are numbers are different but measure the same distance. The Professor already new you kids would act like this, so he said going to talk to your mothers so be good kids.lol!

I completely understand how to convert between measuring systems. It's one of the things that engineers do, over, over, and over. But if a physics professor used it to explain video poker math to you, his university should look into revoking his tenure! Or at the very least, give him the least important classes to teach...lol Comparing video poker math with the metric system is just a completely illogical comparison, which your "professor friend" apparently made in a rambling fashion.

Currently in Las Vegas, it is 42 degrees Celsius. I know what that means. Do you? I doubt it. Your "professor friend" might, but who knows? I would love full metric conversion in the USA personally, so I can chuckle at people like you that will be completely clueless.