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This is were I play 90% of my VP and I can tell you they have just about run everybody out of the casinos. The places I play use to be packed on weekends. Now its just dead 24/7 minus the penny players. They have even increased their pay tables to 10/6 DDB and you still can't win a dime with the new chips.
I personally know of 6-7 regulars that use to go 1-2 times a week that quit going altogether. Its sad to see, you used to be able to go and have a good time and maybe win or loose a little. Now its just loose, loose and loose. $200 free play turned into $25 free play. A bottle of water $3, cigarettes $12 and so on. They just can't figure out that the greedier they get the more customers they loose.
They would rather take one customer for $100 instead of 20 customers for $10 a piece... so they loose and the ship takes on more water.
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ko king
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This is were I play 90% of my VP and I can tell you they have just about run everybody out of the casinos. The places I play use to be packed on weekends. Now its just dead 24/7 minus the penny players. They have even increased their pay tables to 10/6 DDB and you still can't win a dime with the new chips.
I personally know of 6-7 regulars that use to go 1-2 times a week that quit going altogether. Its sad to see, you used to be able to go and have a good time and maybe win or loose a little. Now its just loose, loose and loose. $200 free play turned into $25 free play. A bottle of water $3, cigarettes $12 and so on. They just can't figure out that the greedier they get the more customers they loose.
They would rather take one customer for $100 instead of 20 customers for $10 a piece... so they loose and the ship takes on more water.
I didn't know you were around my part of the country, let me know sometime and we'll meet up and lose some money together. I found some of the better pay tables also but you still end up taking a beating. I played $2 denomination DDB for around 20 years and never complained until the last 5-6 years, it was like they flipped a switch or something on the machines, most of the people I know say the slots died first but I just think it took a little longer to figure out that it was vp also.
I personally know of 6-7 regulars that use to go 1-2 times a week that quit going altogether. Its sad to see, you used to be able to go and have a good time and maybe win or loose a little. Now its just loose, loose and loose. $200 free play turned into $25 free play. A bottle of water $3, cigarettes $12 and so on. They just can't figure out that the greedier they get the more customers they loose.
They would rather take one customer for $100 instead of 20 customers for $10 a piece... so they loose and the ship takes on more water.
I didn't know you were around my part of the country, let me know sometime and we'll meet up and lose some money together. I found some of the better pay tables also but you still end up taking a beating. I played $2 denomination DDB for around 20 years and never complained until the last 5-6 years, it was like they flipped a switch or something on the machines, most of the people I know say the slots died first but I just think it took a little longer to figure out that it was vp also.
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ko king
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they still seem to think it's the economy. Makes me want to get in the
faces and yell "it's no us, it's you, you offer a crappy product". Give
me just one of the casinos for a year and I'd have that place jumping
and packed with people because I know what it takes. But no, they seem
to be content with busing in a few seniors on days trips and chipping
away from their retirement fund while they push and pound away at penny
and nickel machines, maybe the seniors like the quiet (almost dead)
atmosphere and lack of excitement.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This was a hilarious rant! I do think it is at least a two year turnaround even imposing drastic changes. I remember how quiet Showboat was in its last year. I still had to wait sometimes for one of the four 9/6 quarter JOBs in a cozier spot. But it was a lot of losing throughout the vast property. Glad it finally stopped sapping everyone's funds. If all Tunica can boast is casinos, hasta la vista.
You may be right, it could take a little longer. I believe they say bad news travels fast and good news creeps and crawls. They won't die completely, a few will survive. I remember when the Fitz was packed all the time, always had a great band playing, people on the dance floor and the vp bar machines were full all the time. Last I heard the Fitz ended up selling for pennies on the dollar, if you ask me whoever ended up buying it still overpaid.
faces and yell "it's no us, it's you, you offer a crappy product". Give
me just one of the casinos for a year and I'd have that place jumping
and packed with people because I know what it takes. But no, they seem
to be content with busing in a few seniors on days trips and chipping
away from their retirement fund while they push and pound away at penny
and nickel machines, maybe the seniors like the quiet (almost dead)
atmosphere and lack of excitement.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This was a hilarious rant! I do think it is at least a two year turnaround even imposing drastic changes. I remember how quiet Showboat was in its last year. I still had to wait sometimes for one of the four 9/6 quarter JOBs in a cozier spot. But it was a lot of losing throughout the vast property. Glad it finally stopped sapping everyone's funds. If all Tunica can boast is casinos, hasta la vista.
You may be right, it could take a little longer. I believe they say bad news travels fast and good news creeps and crawls. They won't die completely, a few will survive. I remember when the Fitz was packed all the time, always had a great band playing, people on the dance floor and the vp bar machines were full all the time. Last I heard the Fitz ended up selling for pennies on the dollar, if you ask me whoever ended up buying it still overpaid.
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Vman96
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They have even increased their pay tables to 10/6 DDB and you still can't win a dime with the new chips.
In Tunica??? Where?!?!?! I would love to play that again!
Personally I don't feel like my results are significantly better or worse on newer machines. When Tunica had 40/10/6 DDB last on old machines in 2013, I definitely lost on them. Got crushed at 99.96% Deuces Wild too. But still not enough of a sample to prove anything. If Mississippi is letting the casino freely break the law by not offering a fair game, I guess I'm a sucker then and will be out another few hundred bucks.
In Tunica??? Where?!?!?! I would love to play that again!
Personally I don't feel like my results are significantly better or worse on newer machines. When Tunica had 40/10/6 DDB last on old machines in 2013, I definitely lost on them. Got crushed at 99.96% Deuces Wild too. But still not enough of a sample to prove anything. If Mississippi is letting the casino freely break the law by not offering a fair game, I guess I'm a sucker then and will be out another few hundred bucks.
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alpax
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[QUOTE=spxChrome] They have even increased their pay tables to 10/6 DDB and you still can't win a dime with the new chips.
In Tunica??? Where?!?!?! I would love to play that again!
Personally I don't feel like my results are significantly better or worse on newer machines. When Tunica had 40/10/6 DDB last on old machines in 2013, I definitely lost on them. Got crushed at 99.96% Deuces Wild too. But still not enough of a sample to prove anything. If Mississippi is letting the casino freely break the law by not offering a fair game, I guess I'm a sucker then and will be out another few hundred bucks.
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No matter how good the Deuces Wild pay table is, based on personal experiences it is hard to stomach being under cycled for quad deuces in the short run when it makes up for about 4 percent of the return.
In Tunica??? Where?!?!?! I would love to play that again!
Personally I don't feel like my results are significantly better or worse on newer machines. When Tunica had 40/10/6 DDB last on old machines in 2013, I definitely lost on them. Got crushed at 99.96% Deuces Wild too. But still not enough of a sample to prove anything. If Mississippi is letting the casino freely break the law by not offering a fair game, I guess I'm a sucker then and will be out another few hundred bucks.
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No matter how good the Deuces Wild pay table is, based on personal experiences it is hard to stomach being under cycled for quad deuces in the short run when it makes up for about 4 percent of the return.
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ko king
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[QUOTE=spxChrome] They have even increased their pay tables to 10/6 DDB and you still can't win a dime with the new chips.
In Tunica??? Where?!?!?! I would love to play that again!
Personally I don't feel like my results are significantly better or worse on newer machines. When Tunica had 40/10/6 DDB last on old machines in 2013, I definitely lost on them. Got crushed at 99.96% Deuces Wild too. But still not enough of a sample to prove anything. If Mississippi is letting the casino freely break the law by not offering a fair game, I guess I'm a sucker then and will be out another few hundred bucks.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, I do not believe any casino is breaking any law or regulation. I'm about 99.99% certain that all video poker machines are using an "approved" RNG program. I'm also pretty certain that something changed when it comes to vp in this area, no doubt I could be wrong because I don't have the slightest bit of inside information to back up my feeling. Here's what I know for sure when it comes to slots and vp in this area, so many people quit completely, some rarely go while others like myself continue to play looking for anything that resembles results we used to see. I get the slots, not hard to cut them down to whatever the state minimum is but the vp is a different story. A few years back I sought out this site looking for answers, to this day I'm still at a loss. I could go back and show you multiple W-2G's I would get on a good day or night, the most I ever got in one session was 7, 3 was very common for me, yes there were times I couldn't hit squat but I never really thought or worried about it. Now days I'm lucky to get a single W-2G, a rare treat is 2, the big hits just don't come as often for me. When I walk into any of the casinos it's not that hard to see that so many others must have experienced the same results because they aren't there.
In Tunica??? Where?!?!?! I would love to play that again!
Personally I don't feel like my results are significantly better or worse on newer machines. When Tunica had 40/10/6 DDB last on old machines in 2013, I definitely lost on them. Got crushed at 99.96% Deuces Wild too. But still not enough of a sample to prove anything. If Mississippi is letting the casino freely break the law by not offering a fair game, I guess I'm a sucker then and will be out another few hundred bucks.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, I do not believe any casino is breaking any law or regulation. I'm about 99.99% certain that all video poker machines are using an "approved" RNG program. I'm also pretty certain that something changed when it comes to vp in this area, no doubt I could be wrong because I don't have the slightest bit of inside information to back up my feeling. Here's what I know for sure when it comes to slots and vp in this area, so many people quit completely, some rarely go while others like myself continue to play looking for anything that resembles results we used to see. I get the slots, not hard to cut them down to whatever the state minimum is but the vp is a different story. A few years back I sought out this site looking for answers, to this day I'm still at a loss. I could go back and show you multiple W-2G's I would get on a good day or night, the most I ever got in one session was 7, 3 was very common for me, yes there were times I couldn't hit squat but I never really thought or worried about it. Now days I'm lucky to get a single W-2G, a rare treat is 2, the big hits just don't come as often for me. When I walk into any of the casinos it's not that hard to see that so many others must have experienced the same results because they aren't there.
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Vman96
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No matter how good the Deuces Wild pay table is, based on personal experiences it is hard to stomach being under cycled for quad deuces in the short run when it makes up for about 4 percent of the return.
Oh I know...still zero for lifetime on quarters or higher. Phil praises this game over and over, but without hitting 4 deuces, it sucks. May go to Tunica next weekend, and will likely take another small stab at progressive double deuces at Resorts and Airport Deuces w/STP at Bally's.
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FloridaPhil
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It is true that you will take a beating if you don't hit quad deuces when playing DW. The same is true if you don't hit quad anything in JB, DB or DDB. The normal frequency of quad deuces is one about ever 5000 hands. For me this is about one a day. Occasionally you won't see one, but you'll catch up the next day. As you know, I play a lot of hands for a recreational player. The 1 in 5,000 hands quad deuce is pretty predictable if you stick to DW and don't switch around.There is definitely something going on at the Beau Rivage in Biloxi. It's the only place I have seen where you can go days without a quad deuce. When my wife and I sit side by side for 8 hours straight and don't hit one in three days, I get suspicious. I'm not prone to conspiracies, but we switched to the Florida Hard Rocks. Airport Deuces (98.91%) is all over the place, I can get a free room whenever I want and I don't drink so it doesn't cost me anything for booze. I'm not mad at Mississippi gambling, but we're not going back until they offer more competitive video poker.
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Mr.Dawes
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They have even increased their pay tables to 10/6 DDB and you still can't win a dime with the new chips. I am planning my first trip to Tunica on Labor Day weekend. Which casino did you find 10/6 DDB at? From what I am reading here it sounds like the casinos could be kind of quiet, but I will also be spending some time in Memphis as I have never been there either.
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FAA
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you will take a beating if you don't hit quad deuces when playing DW.
The same is true if you don't hit quad anything in JB, DB or DDB. The
normal frequency of quad deuces is one about ever 5000 hands. For me
this is about one a day. Occasionally you won't see one, but you'll
catch up the next day. I play a lot of hands for a
recreational player. The 1 in 5,000 hands quad deuce is pretty
predictable if you stick to DW and don't switch around.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hell of a lot of hands. First time I've ever considered your volume. It's like being an NBA "volume shooter." Great if you, or your bankroll, don't get the hook. To see a quad deuce a day, no choice but to stagger to the 5,000 finish line or thereabouts. I did finally hit a quad in JOB yesterday, after conceding a dreaded second shot. I took an hour break at Starbucks, which was clearly not enough. Short coin $12 variety quad ensued. So I'd won a modest $38. Of course I then vaulted to a dollar min coin and gave it all back. I either need a substantial bankroll or strictly cut myself off after the one session. I had to figure the day would end bad when the shooter on my free table play rolled and landed right in front of me. Snake eyes.
