Mississippi Gaming Revenue

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=FAA]Hell of a lot of hands. First time I've ever considered your volume[/quote]The key to being able to playing a lot of hands is to play low variance games at low denominations. It also helps a bunch if you can find odds of at least 98%.  I rarely play less than 5-6 hours a day and I play at about 800-1000 hands an hour.   That's 5,000 hands plus my $20 hourly pot shots at the $5 machines. You can't believe how many times I've been bailed out by those $20 pot shots.   

[FAA]

The
key to being able to playing a lot of hands is to play low variance
games at low denominations. It also helps a bunch if you can find odds
of at least 98%.  I rarely play less than 5-6 hours a day and I play at
about 800-1000 hands an hour.   That's 5,000 hands plus my $20 hourly
pot shots at the $5 machines. You can't believe how many times I've been
bailed out by those $20 pot shots. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'm getting the picture. I get myself very composed, and my little pre draw rituals chew clock. I am a human rain delay. I do a very leisurely 350 hands an hour, I would guess. Unless I shift gears, I will never amass that daily volume. If one does 5,000 hands a day, something good will likely happen unless you were born cursed. It then comes down to whether you exploit it or are stuck in the min bet rut cycle.  My banks are inconveniently located in very crowded areas and I play at peak times, weekends. A suboptimal environment. I must just ignore the other players and lock in on min bet for fifty nine minutes of each hour. Daunting challenge. And ignore the higher denom machines entirely, since they always bust me without fail. Would love an ankle bracelet that sounds if I go beyond ten yards from my full pay quarter bank in each casino.

[FloridaPhil]

I also have an appetite for high denomination play, but over the years have learned to avoid this trap.    The single coin $20 pot shots at the $5 machines is one way I satisfy my high roller urges without breaking the bank.  Try it some day, just convince yourself to set a $50 lower stop limit and get up and walk if that happens.  You can always come back next hour.   "The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with one step." Lao Tzu

[ko king]

I also have an appetite for high denomination play, but over the years have learned to avoid this trap.    The single coin $20 pot shots at the $5 machines is one way I satisfy my high roller urges without breaking the bank.  Try it some day, just convince yourself to set a $50 lower stop limit and get up and walk if that happens.  You can always come back next hour.   "The journey of a 1,000 miles begins with one step." <span ="st">Lao Tzu</span>


Man do I wish I had your discipline, are you really doing well playing like this or are you just getting to play more hands? My father in law used to play single coin all night long and it was very rare he came home ahead.

[spxChrome]

[QUOTE=Vman96] [QUOTE=spxChrome] They have even increased their pay tables to 10/6 DDB and you still can't win a dime with the new chips.


In Tunica??? Where?!?!?! I would love to play that again!

Personally I don't feel like my results are significantly better or worse on newer machines. When Tunica had 40/10/6 DDB last on old machines in 2013, I definitely lost on them. Got crushed at 99.96% Deuces Wild too. But still not enough of a sample to prove anything. If Mississippi is letting the casino freely break the law by not offering a fair game, I guess I'm a sucker then and will be out another few hundred bucks.

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Said it before and I'll say it again, I do not believe any casino is breaking any law or regulation. I'm about 99.99% certain that all video poker machines are using an "approved" RNG program. I'm also pretty certain that something changed when it comes to vp in this area, no doubt I could be wrong because I don't have the slightest bit of inside information to back up my feeling. Here's what I know for sure when it comes to slots and vp in this area, so many people quit completely, some rarely go while others like myself continue to play looking for anything that resembles results we used to see. I get the slots, not hard to cut them down to whatever the state minimum is but the vp is a different story. A few years back I sought out this site looking for answers, to this day I'm still at a loss. I could go back and show you multiple W-2G's I would get on a good day or night, the most I ever got in one session was 7, 3 was very common for me, yes there were times I couldn't hit squat but I never really thought or worried about it. Now days I'm lucky to get a single W-2G, a rare treat is 2, the big hits just don't come as often for me. When I walk into any of the casinos it's not that hard to see that so many others must have experienced the same results because they aren't there. [/QUOTE]

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have photos to prove it. It was nothing for me to get at least 1 usually 2 W2G on a 8-10 hour session. Sometimes I would get several. But hardly ever not get at least 1 per trip and if you did you would get 2 or 3 next trip.

Nowadays you may get 1 every 3/4 trips and that's usually because you played enough hands to get a dealt a made hand.

[ko king]

[QUOTE=ko king] [QUOTE=Vman96] [QUOTE=spxChrome] They have even increased their pay tables to 10/6 DDB and you still can't win a dime with the new chips.


In Tunica??? Where?!?!?! I would love to play that again!

Personally I don't feel like my results are significantly better or worse on newer machines. When Tunica had 40/10/6 DDB last on old machines in 2013, I definitely lost on them. Got crushed at 99.96% Deuces Wild too. But still not enough of a sample to prove anything. If Mississippi is letting the casino freely break the law by not offering a fair game, I guess I'm a sucker then and will be out another few hundred bucks.

[/QUOTE]

Said it before and I'll say it again, I do not believe any casino is breaking any law or regulation. I'm about 99.99% certain that all video poker machines are using an "approved" RNG program. I'm also pretty certain that something changed when it comes to vp in this area, no doubt I could be wrong because I don't have the slightest bit of inside information to back up my feeling. Here's what I know for sure when it comes to slots and vp in this area, so many people quit completely, some rarely go while others like myself continue to play looking for anything that resembles results we used to see. I get the slots, not hard to cut them down to whatever the state minimum is but the vp is a different story. A few years back I sought out this site looking for answers, to this day I'm still at a loss. I could go back and show you multiple W-2G's I would get on a good day or night, the most I ever got in one session was 7, 3 was very common for me, yes there were times I couldn't hit squat but I never really thought or worried about it. Now days I'm lucky to get a single W-2G, a rare treat is 2, the big hits just don't come as often for me. When I walk into any of the casinos it's not that hard to see that so many others must have experienced the same results because they aren't there. [/QUOTE]

You took the words right out of my mouth. I have photos to prove it. It was nothing for me to get at least 1 usually 2 W2G on a 8-10 hour session. Sometimes I would get several. But hardly ever not get at least 1 per trip and if you did you would get 2 or 3 next trip.

Nowadays you may get 1 every 3/4 trips and that's usually because you played enough hands to get a dealt a made hand.

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I'd say you're about right, 1 every 3/4 trips and that's factoring in the amount of DDB I play at the $2 level along with a lot of 9/7 $1 TDB. Since you must live around this area I wonder what the chances are you might take the time to drive a little further down the road to The Isle Casino in Lula, Ms., I would love to see someone else on this site get a taste of the 9's and 6's while playing $1 TDB. I've had some nice hits there but it drives me nuts to play because I can't shake those cards, they seem to be present in almost every hand. I would love to see someone else go play there just to tell me if I'm nuts or not.

[spxChrome]

We sound like the same player, that exactly what I play single line 10/6 DDB and 9/7 TDB ($1,$2 mix). I have had AWAK 2x this year on TDB while I have garbage quads like 8's, J's and 6's well over 50 times. Its just not mathematically possible. I do most of my play in Vicksburg at the Lady Luck which is owned by Isle of Capri. Sounds like we are playing on the same greedy ass CPUs. My last trip I got quad 8's 3x in a row then quad 6's then went around 4,000 hands before finally getting dealt 2's and of course could not draw a kicker. Its like playing a slot machine these days... you just don't get anything unless you get a jackpot. Just nothing in between. My Royal count is actually on pace for the year. I average around 20 a year and I have 12 so far. Its the 2,000 and 800's that you just don't see anymore.

[notes1]

kk, i have mentioned this before, but i just think that a casino that does not get a lot of play, just does not have as many oportunities for one to get lucky and hit a premium hand. i know there are those who will say this does not matter, but i disagree. i like to play in a place where there is a lot of action and hope that i am the lucky one who just happens to sit at the right machine, at the right time.   i just got back from cherokee, where they have 8/5, 7/5 and 6/5 machines. the math folks have explained how much of a difference a reduced paytable can make, over the long term, but i am playing a machine over a short term and do not accept the fact that all play is continous. i avoid the low paytables like the plague, but this last trip, both my big hits were on the 7/5 and 6/5 machines. the right machine at the right time. just luck. i wonder, do you find your luck is better at casinos that are more active, as opposed to better paytables?  

[FAA]

do you find your luck is better at casinos that are more active, as opposed to better pay tables?  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------If I may chime in, active. Showboat AC was absolutely funereal in its last year, and nobody was winning anything big. After making peace with its demise, I ventured a mile down the boardwalk. I played a little longer and acquired more expertise, but premium hands came, including the coveted Royal Flush. Plenty of winning occurs in this bustling environment. I'm slowly giving my RF back, so Cheap Strategy will become a flat out necessity soon. Time to abandon JOB for DW while I'm at it!

[ko king]

We sound like the same player, that exactly what I play single line 10/6 DDB and 9/7 TDB ($1,$2 mix). I have had AWAK 2x this year on TDB while I have garbage quads like 8's, J's and 6's well over 50 times. Its just not mathematically possible. I do most of my play in Vicksburg at the Lady Luck which is owned by Isle of Capri. Sounds like we are playing on the same greedy ass CPUs. My last trip I got quad 8's 3x in a row then quad 6's then went around 4,000 hands before finally getting dealt 2's and of course could not draw a kicker. Its like playing a slot machine these days... you just don't get anything unless you get a jackpot. Just nothing in between. My Royal count is actually on pace for the year. I average around 20 a year and I have 12 so far. Its the 2,000 and 800's that you just don't see anymore.


We may be the same player, my royal count is right on par, it's the rest of the premium hands that are killing me, mainly quad, 2's-4's with and without the kicker. We were playing a couple of weeks ago and the 9's were driving me nuts, I couldn't shake them, they were always there unless you needed them. What's funny is while I was pointing out all the nines a buddy of mine who was watching me play pointed out that a 6 had been popping up in the fifth spot over and over again, I hadn't noticed it because I was so caught up with the 9's.