Hollywood - Joliet, IL

[DaBurglar]

I am jealous of Tom Brady....and George Bernard Shaw (I wanted to be a famous writer when I was young, but instead I am relegated to posting volumes on a Poker forum in response to someone named "tedlark"  )MPD001......your post about the scenario where someone could thepretically win 80% of the time was imaginative and detailed, and you had me going there right up until you concluded with the admission that "YOU STILL NEED a ton of luck" to win 80% of the time......but alas I agree it is theoretically POSSIBLE......I just am reluctant to believe that this is one of those "theoretical times"   that's all......it is my right and my choice to either Believe or Not Believe.........does everyone realize that?   we are beating to death my own personal CHOICE on this topic....nothing more!?!?!?I'll end this whole farce now......I wish Ted all the best, I hope he wins 100% of the time, and I hope he NEVER EVER gets a kidney stone in his life......whether I Believe him or not should not make any difference to him, especially given all the disdain and hostility he has gone out of his way to send my way, and MOST espcially if he TRULY wins so often.  Maybe that is what I am most amused by, how he gets all riled up by the opinion (mine) of someone (me) who he supposedly has so little respect and so much dislike for (go back and read this thread from the start if you do not believe me on that last point!)All I know is if I was winning consistently 80% of the time, I'd be happier than George Bernard Shaw's Pig in Shiiiiite!!!!!

[MPD001]

MPD001......your post about the scenario where someone could theoretically win 80% of the time was imaginative and detailed, and you had me going there right up until you concluded with the admission that "YOU STILL NEED a ton of luck" to win 80% of the time......
Actually, that is not what I posted. I described an opportunity that is really very commonly given to most VP players, but not acted upon. Winning 80% of your sessions is not really that difficult, if you set reasonable win goals, and you have the discipline to take those winnings out of play when presented.

Where the 'ton of luck' comes in, as I stated, is winning overall.

Most VP games are negative EV, so staying on the positive side takes both skill and luck in any long term measurement.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar] MPD001......your post about the scenario where someone could theoretically win 80% of the time was imaginative and detailed, and you had me going there right up until you concluded with the admission that "YOU STILL NEED a ton of luck" to win 80% of the time......
Actually, that is not what I posted. I described an opportunity that is really very commonly given to most VP players, but not acted upon. Winning 80% of your sessions is not really that difficult, if you set reasonable win goals, and you have the discipline to take those winnings out of play when presented.

Where the 'ton of luck' comes in, as I stated, is winning overall.

Most VP games are negative EV, so staying on the positive side takes both skill and luck in any long term measurement. [/QUOTE]yes you are correct, you did talk about quitting while you are ahead, and I believe I also mentioned this in one of my first posts, where I offered Ted the chance to "clarify" what he is experiencing.....I clearly stated that IF...IF this success of his is a case of him winning even a small amount and then quitting, he should say so.....but he did not.....I can accept this scenario IF in fact this is what is happening.    I have stated many times that it seems in most gambling outings, a point is usually reached where a player is "UP" a certain amount and could (and SHOULD) just quit and go read a book or eat a hot dog or something!   But as you aptly pointed out, QUITTING while you are ahead, especially if you planned on playing for 8 hours and it has only been 35 minutes, is really hard to do!

[Tedlark]

  A disciplined player who is not over run with greed will walk away. When I win and am up an amount that I am comfortable with I make a decision as what steps to take next. I will usually set a loss limit because I will also think about what I can do with the rest of my winnings, maybe a new watch or pay off the balance on a credit card, possibly a new television for my living room. Or just maybe I'll sock some more away for the down payment on my next car, I've got my eye on something German and snazzy.   Take my last outing for example; I could have, as I mentioned, thrown perfectly good gambling winnings away chasing more winnings but I didn't because I was comfortable with what I had allready won. This is one of the reasons why I keep my gambling kick always at the same amount, if I keep adding to it then there is a greater chance that I will just increase my denominations or push the envelope just a bit more. That's when things could go south very quickly.    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I,  I took the one less traveled by,  And that has made all the difference.- Robert Frost

[billslim]

Hey Ted, If you win 80 percent of the time then why would you have a balance on a credit card?

[Tedlark]

  Because I was financially stupid with my last girlfriend.

[DaBurglar]

Hey Ted, If you win 80 percent of the time then why would you have a balance on a credit card?lol    good post and question.....it would seem I am not the only one who can see through this "FOG"....I have no problem believing or buying into Tedlark's supposed "STRATEGY" of how to deal with and  manage his money/bankroll/winnings etc etc....what he says makes sense in that regard, and has been espoused by numerous players over time........even myself with how I simply limit the level I play at (25 cent denom almost all the time, and limiting what and how much I spend and lose each trip.)    This is an obvious, no-brainer aspect of GAMBLING in general, how to manage money.So that is NOT the issue here.......just to make sure everyone who arrives late to this party is NOT misinformed, I never doubted Ted's (or anyone's) claims of being able to manage Bankrolls........and I never specifically doubted Tedlarks self described  "DISCIPLINE" to always be able to walk away or otherwise make the WISE decision to actually QUIT when he is ahead, etc   Although here again, he is apparently the most disciplined video Poker player ever if you buy his claims without reservation.......I mean, any experienced casino player KNOWS that quitting while ahead is always tough if you are in the midst of a casino outing and you just won a decent amount........I understand Ted is "LOCAL" and can leave whenever he wants, but this is really not that big of a factor, we all can STOP and go back to our room (or simply do something else) if we are in a casino in Vegas or wherever we travel to in order to gamble.    I guess what I'd like to have Ted discuss now is, on the other 20% of times where he does not win, what is the reason or factor in these cases or instances......WHY did he not win in those outings either?   did his amazing LUCK just vanish, did he run into a awful streak of dead/dud/non-paying hands?    I am seriously interested, because I intend (from now on) to actually try this apparent winning formula of stop/loss bankroll managing and quitting while one is "ahead"!!!!!        I'm going to become a winning video poker player if it takes every fiber of my being!   Atlantic City and its cursed downslide and incompetence be damned!

[chattycattty]

Step number one to winning at video poker or anything else is to begin each session absolutely convinced that you are going to win. Does it work all the time? No, but for some reason that I have no explanation for it dramatically increases your chance of winning.

[MPD001]

I have no problem believing or buying into Tedlark's supposed "STRATEGY" of how to deal with and  manage his money/bankroll/winnings etc etc....what he says makes sense in that regard, and has been espoused by numerous players over time........even myself with how I simply limit the level I play at (25 cent denom almost all the time, and limiting what and how much I spend and lose each trip.)    This is an obvious, no-brainer aspect of GAMBLING in general, how to manage money.So that is NOT the issue here......

** Actually, DaBurglar, that is EXACTLY the issue here. Playing at ANY denomination until your bankroll is depleted is NOT money management.


I never doubted Ted's (or anyone's) claims of being able to manage Bankrolls........and I never specifically doubted Tedlarks self described  "DISCIPLINE" to always be able to walk away or otherwise make the WISE decision to actually QUIT when he is ahead, etc   Although here again, he is apparently the most disciplined video Poker player ever if you buy his claims without reservation.......I mean, any experienced casino player KNOWS that quitting while ahead is always tough if you are in the midst of a casino outing and you just won a decent amount........I understand Ted is "LOCAL" and can leave whenever he wants, but this is really not that big of a factor, we all can STOP and go back to our room (or simply do something else) if we are in a casino in Vegas or wherever we travel to in order to gamble.

** Exactly right, DaBurglar. As a 'local', I feel it is a little easier to leave when ahead, knowing that you can return at any time. Someone on a gaming trip will say to themselves "I came to play - I don't want to quit". That is why I posted the way that I did, in that it is easier for a 'local' to have more discipline.

I guess what I'd like to have Ted discuss now is, on the other 20% of times where he does not win, what is the reason or factor in these cases or instances......WHY did he not win in those outings either?   did his amazing LUCK just vanish, did he run into a awful streak of dead/dud/non-paying hands?   

** Let me just venture a guess - ALL OF THE ABOVE. VP is NOT structured to win all the time, but if you have a sufficient bankroll, especially on a game like TDB, you can play through the valleys that will undoubtedly come up.   

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar you have ALWAY doubted me and you have ALWAYS been jealous of my success with video poker.   And now you are making sarcastic remarks about me being "the most disciplined video poker player ever" makes your true colors really shine. I was once asked by a coworker why I never ate a donut when someone brought a box in and I said that I just didn't want one. Human instinct would be for a person to take a donut or two but because I am disciplined enough not to have one, I don't have one. Just because a box of donuts is there, this doesn't mean you need to eat one.    Now you are mad because you again have started asking stupid questions and your anger is only multiplied because I choose not to answer these questions. I don't know what the difference is in the sessions that I do not win, I don't care. I can see why people who are much smarter than I choose not to get into these debates with you.    You didn't hear me crying about being in a blizzard, it's winter; deal with it. Geez you'd think this was the first winter you've seen snow?