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royal flush
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Re: Distressing CET VP Stories
your dream came true nice
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Tedlark
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Thanks for all of the compliments folks but please note that the pics were from hits that I had in the last year and they aren't recent.
If you want to see a more recent pic, here's one:
If you want to see a more recent pic, here's one:
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DaBurglar
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[QUOTE=DaBurglar]they have a ton of seemingly "good" games, 8/5 BP (99.3%) but when you play them you quickly see that something is really wrong, as your bankroll evaporates from all the long stretches of duds (zero value hands)
Just passing through here. I haven't read your entire output, and I've never played on the east coast, but you don't seem to be making a strong effort to verify your allegations.
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welcome to the forum.......i'm only going to say that, unfortunately, you will have to go back and read all my previous posts to fully understand what it is I am saying, experiencing and conveying to any and all interested parties.....if you do not play at all in AC, i strongly suggest not wasting your time reading all my long posts on the subject and just sit back and enjoy the fact you only have nevada/vegas video poker to deal with, which is much more fair and reliable in comparison.
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ko king
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[QUOTE=924] [QUOTE=DaBurglar]they have a ton of seemingly "good" games, 8/5 BP (99.3%) but when you play them you quickly see that something is really wrong, as your bankroll evaporates from all the long stretches of duds (zero value hands)
Just passing through here. I haven't read your entire output, and I've never played on the east coast, but you don't seem to be making a strong effort to verify your allegations.
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welcome to the forum.......i'm only going to say that, unfortunately, you will have to go back and read all my previous posts to fully understand what it is I am saying, experiencing and conveying to any and all interested parties.....if you do not play at all in AC, i strongly suggest not wasting your time reading all my long posts on the subject and just sit back and enjoy the fact you only have nevada/vegas video poker to deal with, which is much more fair and reliable in comparison.[/QUOTE]
Without going back and reading the history I would bet any issues you have with vp in AC are based on the last 3-4 years of results. I say this because that's the case with me and a few other players I know who never questioned the game until that time frame. I've played some serious vp for almost 20 years running and looking back I can almost put my finger on the date things started to change. I can still find good vp but I have to drive about an extra two hours to play. Now someone who only plays a couple of times a month might not notice the change but players like myself tend to keep pretty good records and can't ignore the fact that the 98.98% payback percentage posted right on the front of the machines ain't happening anymore and the cost of playing has somehow gone up. I remember asking myself could the fact that there was fewer people playing have an effect on my results because that was the only visible change I could see.
Just passing through here. I haven't read your entire output, and I've never played on the east coast, but you don't seem to be making a strong effort to verify your allegations.
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welcome to the forum.......i'm only going to say that, unfortunately, you will have to go back and read all my previous posts to fully understand what it is I am saying, experiencing and conveying to any and all interested parties.....if you do not play at all in AC, i strongly suggest not wasting your time reading all my long posts on the subject and just sit back and enjoy the fact you only have nevada/vegas video poker to deal with, which is much more fair and reliable in comparison.[/QUOTE]
Without going back and reading the history I would bet any issues you have with vp in AC are based on the last 3-4 years of results. I say this because that's the case with me and a few other players I know who never questioned the game until that time frame. I've played some serious vp for almost 20 years running and looking back I can almost put my finger on the date things started to change. I can still find good vp but I have to drive about an extra two hours to play. Now someone who only plays a couple of times a month might not notice the change but players like myself tend to keep pretty good records and can't ignore the fact that the 98.98% payback percentage posted right on the front of the machines ain't happening anymore and the cost of playing has somehow gone up. I remember asking myself could the fact that there was fewer people playing have an effect on my results because that was the only visible change I could see.
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olds442jetaway
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I have yet to find anyone who has had decent long term vp results since the fall of 2010. My sample is just from CT., but the list is very long!
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ko king
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I have yet to find anyone who has had decent long term vp results since the fall of 2010. My sample is just from CT., but the list is very long!
I got with another player who plays as much as I do, knows the game well and understands the correct holds, we both play the same game and same denomination. We both requested win/loss statements in 2011 and our results were almost the same, playing only 98.98% payback vp my actual return was 95.5% and his was 95.3% for 2011. I ran into the guy a while back at my favorite casino which is much farther away and he was enjoying the game again but staying away from the other closer casinos, I told him he did the right thing because things hadn't changed a bit. I paid my $20 and waited 2 weeks to get my 2012 win/loss statement at the neghborhood casino and it was once again 95.5% actual payback. I understand that many folks would look at the difference between 98.98% and 95.5% as a small difference but when you play as much as I do at $10 a hand that 2.48% difference can add up to some serious money.
I got with another player who plays as much as I do, knows the game well and understands the correct holds, we both play the same game and same denomination. We both requested win/loss statements in 2011 and our results were almost the same, playing only 98.98% payback vp my actual return was 95.5% and his was 95.3% for 2011. I ran into the guy a while back at my favorite casino which is much farther away and he was enjoying the game again but staying away from the other closer casinos, I told him he did the right thing because things hadn't changed a bit. I paid my $20 and waited 2 weeks to get my 2012 win/loss statement at the neghborhood casino and it was once again 95.5% actual payback. I understand that many folks would look at the difference between 98.98% and 95.5% as a small difference but when you play as much as I do at $10 a hand that 2.48% difference can add up to some serious money.
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edog743
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I just do not get this. You people are convinced the games are rigged but you go and play said machines that are rigged. Are you gluttons for punishment? Or do you have dumb F*** tattooed on your forehead? You say the casino is cheating you yet you go back you only have yourself to blame.
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olds442jetaway
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So maybe we are giving up 5% or so on vp machines in exchange for whatever....but what about the 95% of the other casino patrons who play mindless 83% return machines. What category would you place them in?
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Tedlark
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ko king you get charged for asking for a win/loss statement?
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ko king
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I just do not get this. You people are convinced the games are rigged but you go and play said machines that are rigged. Are you gluttons for punishment? Or do you have dumb F*** tattooed on your forehead? You say the casino is cheating you yet you go back you only have yourself to blame.
I don't think I would go as far as using the word "cheating" when it comes to "some" vp at "some" casinos but I do honestly believe there are "some" casinos that have "some" vp games that for lack of a better word got "tight". Now as someone who's played millions and millions of hands over a 20 year period it took a lot of time and a lot of bad play before I even began to actually think something may have changed, it didn't just happen overnight and I would love to believe it was just a run of rotten luck but facts and figures don't lie. As for people being dumb ***** I don't know anyone that plays or would ever bother playing if they knew beforehand the results would be far worse than expected, fact is most people want to believe the games are exactly what they say they are "fair and random". You know I've said the same exact thing "why even bother playing there anymore" but I still hold on to that sliver of hope that I'll be proven wrong, hasn't happened yet but if the games truly fair sooner or later it has to, right?
I don't think I would go as far as using the word "cheating" when it comes to "some" vp at "some" casinos but I do honestly believe there are "some" casinos that have "some" vp games that for lack of a better word got "tight". Now as someone who's played millions and millions of hands over a 20 year period it took a lot of time and a lot of bad play before I even began to actually think something may have changed, it didn't just happen overnight and I would love to believe it was just a run of rotten luck but facts and figures don't lie. As for people being dumb ***** I don't know anyone that plays or would ever bother playing if they knew beforehand the results would be far worse than expected, fact is most people want to believe the games are exactly what they say they are "fair and random". You know I've said the same exact thing "why even bother playing there anymore" but I still hold on to that sliver of hope that I'll be proven wrong, hasn't happened yet but if the games truly fair sooner or later it has to, right?
