More hideous VP results, but with a twist

[DaBurglar]

In my 5 years playing in AC, I have had such horrible results that defy statistical interpretation (and have been told such bizarre and scary info by people who should know such things, like casino management and gaming control personel) that I became convinced something is radically and systemically different about AC video Poker.I'm willing to concede at this point that AC video Poker is (for the most part) just like Vegas/Nevada........It still does not explain the consistently atrocious results I continue to receive, when I have 20 plus years of Vegas Video Poker results that are both Positive and statistically normal, but I guess it is possible to be on a 5 plus year run of the worst luck imaginable....isnt it?I have, all along, in the midst of my nightmare, been stating that I WANTED TO BE wrong about AC, that I wanted someone, somewhere to just prove to me AC was normal and I am just super unlucky.   You all HAVE to acknowledge that, that I have many times said I expected AC to be just like Vegas and wanted to believe it is/was.....I now know I really am unlucky.......Yesterday (Friday, may 16, 2014)  I was playing the 25 cent Taj Mahal progressive DDB machines (9/5) ..... the paytable is about as good as you can find in AC but the jackpot was over 1100 bucks, so......anyhoo, I put 325 bucks in and started banging away.    I got nothing, NO QUADS,  just a lot of two pairs and a rare full house....my money steadily dwindled after about 1 hour and 1000 hands, and I left with about 45 bucks (a typical Atlantic City 77% performance)......to my LEFT was this little old portugese lady, and to my right was a empty machine that had several people come and go during the course of my play session.The portugese granny hit, during my hour long futility, Two (2) hands of quad 4s, one (1) quad 2s, one (1) Quad 3s with a kicker, and Quad Aces, plus about 3 times as many full houses and other stuff......and keep in mind she played A LOT slower than I did!The Vacant machine to my right which had several people come and go after playing 5 or 10 minutes saw two (2) Quad 7s, one (1) QUad kings and one (1) quad 10s.......nothing spectacular compared to granny, but still WAYYYYY beyond what I got, which was NOTHING.    I was actually embarrassed.    The worst part was, I honetly think the portugese granny was enjoying my pain.....towards the end as she saw my bankroll dwindle, she started to fidget with all her "tickets", kinda flashing them and pretending to sort or organize them or whatever;  everytime she had hit a major hand she printed out the ticket and put a NEW C-note in the game and continued playing.    This is an annoying habit I noticed a lot of the older senior crowd tends to do, print out their tickets whenever they hit a small jackpot on a premium quad or something.   Yeah, I'm beginning to see,,,,,the 73% return rate and my 65% overall DUD-busted hand rate in AC is just my being super unlucky.     It's gonna change somehow, someday for me, right?   RIGHT????

[olds442jetaway]

I think we should let each other know when that rain cloud overhead both of us moves off. Weather still moves mostly west to east right?

[BobDancer]

Everybody goes through cold streaks.Everybody gets lucky sometimes.Over the course of two hours or less, video poker is at least 80% luck. Over 500 hours or more, video poker is at least 90% skill (starting with pay table). 9/5 DDB with a 4400 royal only returns 98% --- and should be avoided by anyone who cares about winning.Any of us could post stories about the results of our worst hour. Many would be quite a bit more than $300. (mine would be more than $10,000 --- it happens).drawing major conclusions from one far-worse-than-average two hour session is dwelling on the negative. It takes many, many hours for the patterns to develop. They say the difference between a puppy and a video poker player is that after six months, the puppy stops whining.If you're playing appropriate games during the best promotions, using correct strategy, over many, many hours, good things will happen to you. Yes there will be some down days. Yes there will be some excellent days. Overall, you'll be ahead. This is definitely a beatable game.Bob

[Vman96]

They say the difference between a puppy and a video poker player is that after six months, the puppy stops whining.

[DaBurglar]

Everybody goes through cold streaks.Everybody gets lucky sometimes.Over the course of two hours or less, video poker is at least 80% luck. Over 500 hours or more, video poker is at least 90% skill (starting with pay table). 9/5 DDB with a 4400 royal only returns 98% --- and should be avoided by anyone who cares about winning.Any of us could post stories about the results of our worst hour. Many would be quite a bit more than $300. (mine would be more than $10,000 --- it happens).drawing major conclusions from one far-worse-than-average two hour session is dwelling on the negative. It takes many, many hours for the patterns to develop. They say the difference between a puppy and a video poker player is that after six months, the puppy stops whining.If you're playing appropriate games during the best promotions, using correct strategy, over many, many hours, good things will happen to you. Yes there will be some down days. Yes there will be some excellent days. Overall, you'll be ahead. This is definitely a beatable game.BobWell, as usual, you post wisdom that in and of itself cannot be argued with....but you conveniently ignore several key points of my PARTICULAR experience and input.First, while you scoff at 9/5 DDB, you forget that this is AC and most DDB games here have been gutted to crappy paytables so that if a person specifically WANTS to play DDB in AC, they are stuck......you can still find a few 9/6/4 DDB machines (maybe), but they are not progressives.   Second, my abhorrent results listed above are but ONE example of a litany of similar sessions that comprise the past 5 years in AC.....you appropriately point out that one single 2 hour session proves nothing in the grand scheme of things, but I have seen this exact same horror show repeated so many times over the last several years my head is spinning and my ...."whining".....is almost reflexive.THIRD and most important......I only recently have been playing the "lousy" 9/5 DDB (and other DDB machines) in AC......over 90% of my play during these past few years (since 2009) has been on the best possible return paytables in AC, namely 9/6 JOB and 8/5 Bonus Poker (usually on PROGRESSIVE machines in both cases where the jackpots exceeded the normal Royal payout significantly).......I still have many sessions on these 99%-plus games that mirror the session I detailed above.  My recent "dabbling" with DDB was almost out of sheer frustration (and boredome) with the other gamesSo sure, once again, perhaps I am just on a 5 year stinker-palooza......but I really really wish Bob Dancer could spend just 1 week playing in AC to see what kind of results he would get!   I'd pay to watch him play in AC just to see what kind of results he gets when he hits the buttons here...But seriously BOB, why dont you come out and say it:  Its almost impossible for you (and by extension any other player) to do what you do, consistently play with "an advantage" in any market OTHER than Vegas......

[olds442jetaway]

I think we should let each other know when that rain cloud overhead both of us moves off. Weather still moves mostly west to east right?

     Speaking of whining, almost 100k hands again without a Royal after well over 500k hands without hitting one. This latest stretch is about 75% 9/6 job and 25% 15/9/4/4/ Deuces wild. Glad quite a few others are posting some successful trips. Job quads seem to be about on schedule as well as the deuces quads. Not able to make up that extra 2 % or so we lose without the Royal.
     DB...check out the Vermont City Hand Cycle Marathon stories on the net. Real interesting and maybe something to do if you ever give up on vp or even if you don't. I stumbled on the article in the Burlington Press at a local truck stop.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=olds442jetaway] I think we should let each other know when that rain cloud overhead both of us moves off. Weather still moves mostly west to east right?

     Speaking of whining, almost 100k hands again without a Royal after well over 500k hands without hitting one. This latest stretch is about 75% 9/6 job and 25% 15/9/4/4/ Deuces wild. Glad quite a few others are posting some successful trips. Job quads seem to be about on schedule as well as the deuces quads. Not able to make up that extra 2 % or so we lose without the Royal.
     DB...check out the Vermont City Hand Cycle Marathon stories on the net. Real interesting and maybe something to do if you ever give up on vp or even if you don't. I stumbled on the article in the Burlington Press at a local truck stop.[/QUOTE]thanks, I actually am familiar with Handcycling.......I used to race in regular chairs back when I was young and in my prime!  But I never competed in handcycling.    I tried WC basketball too and was pretty good, but never played in any real important event like the olympics.After the WSOP, I may be checking out Mohegan Sun over this summer since I can use my Resorts-AC stuff there.......I will let you know so that you can maybe show up, since your next trip to AC wont happen anytime soon right?

[olds442jetaway]

Right unfortunately. More stuff going on with the folks and I have to stay close to home. I'm sure though I will be at Mohegan regularly although it may be at weird hours. Will be sure to hook up there anytime. Take care.

[Francois]

In my 5 years playing in AC, I have had such horrible results that defy statistical interpretation


I find this as well, but not only in Atlantic City, but nearly everywhere I go. I have purchased the tips and the tricks and the cards and find that the best thing is actually to trust your instincts. I refuse to hold for an inside straight (has a machine EVER delivered on one of those?) and often end up with a three of a kind or better.

Some people say they can win by playing "perfectly" well wonderful for them and their perfume smelling farts. I instead will play as I like and I now do better this way.

Statistics are good for science. Instincts are good for gambling.

[onemoretry]

You play by instinct and have horrible results? That's hardly an endorsement of your methodology.