Hard to Understand

[onemoretry]

We are back at Harrahs Lake Tahoe (more on that later).

Yesterday, in the high limit room, I saw a player choosing to play in a way that I find extremely hard to understand. He was playing a 50 line machine. The machines allow you to select the number of lines to be played, and the bet per line. He was playing all 50 lines, at two credits per line. So, his total wager per play was $25.

For that same wager of $25, he could have played 20 lines 5 credits per line (full coin).

He was obviously not playing short coin to save money. Why would he do it?

[olds442jetaway]

My guess is ignorance unless the paytable paid 800 for bet 1. The only games I see this on are spin poker and that is rare too. Its also possible he was looking for a quick hit say getting dealt a full house, flush etc. and was going to cash out. I still feel my first answer is the most likely one. Of course its just a guess. Good luck out there...Olds...

[onemoretry]

I was back on those machines later in the day and confirmed that short coin royals were not 800 for one. That particular one paid 600 credits for a two credit bet, i.e., 300 for one.

In the distant past, there was a bank of machines at Casino Rama that had 9/7 double bonus on them. I think you could go up to 10 credits (25c) on them, and they did pay 800 for one for a royal no matter how many credits were played.

[FAA]

A most illogical strategy. Single line patron. Anything over five lines seems unmanageable clutter. Multi line play is like walking into a blazing fire. I cannot countenance the risk.

[Vman96]

A lot of players want to play the maximum lines on these things, but not bet as much as the max bet.

I remember when I got my dealt royal on 6 max bet penny lines at Flamingo, the guy next to me was betting all 100 lines at 1 penny each. If he got dealt the royal, he would have won $10 more than me.

[BobDancer]

A most illogical strategy. Single line patron. Anything over five lines seems unmanageable clutter. Multi line play is like walking into a blazing fire. I cannot countenance the risk.

I personally LOVE multi-line play. For the same money bet it is considerably LESS risk, not more.

What I mean is that if you compare $5 single line with 50 cent ten play or 5c Hundred Play, they all require a $25 bet at max coins. But the single line player is facing MUCH, MUCH more risk.

If you're comparing 5c single line with 5c Hundred Play, then yes the Hundred Play is riskier. But that's because the stakes are higher, not because of the multi line feature.

Insofar as the guy playing multiple lines at less-than-max coins, I agree with OLDS that it's just someone who doesn't understand how it works. It takes some time to learn things in a casino --- and until you learn them, you just can't know. Some are faster and better learners than others, of course, but nobody is born knowing everything. There are those who compensate for their ignorance by posting here regularly!

If there weren't short-coin players on those machines at Tahoe, the casino wouldn't keep them. they have 9/6 Jacks and 9/7 TDB on them (pretty much the extremities of high and low variance) and the reward credits are still awarded at $10 per. Most of the rest of CET has gone to $25 or $50 per for the same game.

[Vman96]

If there weren't short-coin players on those machines at Tahoe, the casino wouldn't keep them. they have 9/6 Jacks and 9/7 TDB on them (pretty much the extremities of high and low variance) and the reward credits are still awarded at $10 per. Most of the rest of CET has gone to $25 or $50 per for the same game.

Hmm, very good point. Wonder what percentage of the machine's coin-in is short coin.

[onemoretry]

I believe I've mentioned it before, however I will repeat it here, those 50 line machines go up to $2 denomination, so if you're of a mind to, you can go all out at $500 per play. That's somewhat out of my comfort range - but some people are apparently OK with it.

There was such a person playing that much at a nearby machine for a short period of time. It was $10 denomination, 10 line. And, they were playing a somewhat inferior deuces wild game!

[onemoretry]

If there weren't short-coin players on those machines at Tahoe, the casino wouldn't keep them. they have 9/6 Jacks and 9/7 TDB on them (pretty much the extremities of high and low variance) and the reward credits are still awarded at $10 per. Most of the rest of CET has gone to $25 or $50 per for the same game. To us, being able to play a decent 25c multiline game at $10 per reward, and tier, credit is highly attractive. In our two recent visits to Tahoe, with the help of the tier credit bonus system, we added just about 100,000 tier credits to our total for the year. I just wish it wasn't so awkward to get to Tahoe from the east.

I thought the triple double bonus game on those machines was 9/6, rather than 9/7, but have to confess I didn't look at it very closely.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=BobDancer] There are those who compensate for their ignorance by posting here regularly!
[/quote]What did making this comment accomplish?  Did it teach anyone to be a better VP player?   Did it add anything positive to the forum? ** The clinical diagnosis that we commonly refer to as being a sociopath is
Antisocial Personality Disorder and it occurs in roughly 3.8% of
Americans from my research. However, in the world of Advantage Gambling
I’d say it is 10-20x more prevalent. There is a natural progression
towards sociopathic behavior that comes from making money in a casino
environment. You’re making your money by beating inefficiencies in the
casino…who in turn is making their revenue from the stupidity of the
gambling masses. You begin to get a sense of superiority above your
fellow casino patrons. You begin to lose empathy. You employ deception
to get what you want. You become immune to taking risks. You become
emotionally disconnected from the world around you. All of these are
personality traits of sociopathic behavior. Taken from The Las Vegas Advisor website.
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