Recreational Money Management

[DougJ]

Doug. You keep thinking like that and we will keep reaping the benefits from casinos that need players like you. You are supporting us and don’t even know it. Again thank you and keep playing.

No, no, no, no, no . . . . thank YOU!!!!

Every time you, your family, your friends come visit my friendly home town, and get off the plane at McCarran, I do a happy dance.

Without players like you, I wouldn't reap the benefits of living here off your losses. . .THANK YOU!!

[BobDancer]

There is a grand old reason that some people hold themselves out as "professional" or "advantage" players these days, despite the SEISMIC shift in VP programming. Simple: sell books, software, professing that you, too, can win at VP. Nonsense. If you have to push your wares constantly, like you are in a Moroccan market stall, the reason is because there is no other way you are making money.

That's a silly argument.Do you think that professional quarterbacks (current and recent) like Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Bret Favre, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Dak Prescott, etc. can't possibly be making enough money playing football because they have to resort to making television commercials? (I could have used athletes in other sports, or actors, or . . . )Nobody intelligent would make such an argument. And yet that's the same argument you make about me. Many successful people have multiple income streams. Wouldn't you prefer to make $x + $y a year rather than just $x? Just because you do prefer a larger income stream doesn't say anything about the absolute size of $x or $y.You may believe that my gambling isn't profitable (you'd be wrong -- but entitled to that opinion), but using the fact that I have multiple income streams doesn't logically imply that my gambling score is negative.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DougJ] Nonsense. If you have to push your wares constantly, like you are in a
Moroccan market stall, the reason is because there is no other way you
are making money.
[/quote]Sounds like you touched a sore spot....   

[wildman49]

You may believe that my gambling isn't profitable (you'd be wrong -- but entitled to that opinion), but using the fact that I have multiple income streams doesn't logically imply that my gambling score is negative.Bob I know you are a very VERY discipline player. I have learned a lot from you reading between the lines as they say.  Been doing well on drawings here in Michigan casinos. I would love to see you talk about how much discipline plays a role in  your play. Maybe doing something in your Gambling with an edge column, and give some great examples of them to help some of us out here who want to get better at being an advantage player.

[onemoretry]

[quote=DougJ] Nonsense. If you have to push your wares constantly, like you are in a
Moroccan market stall, the reason is because there is no other way you
are making money.
Sounds like you touched a sore spot....   
[/QUOTE]Is making some extra money from a sideline any different than doing the same thing with a car hobby?

[case]

Doug is a new player to the gambling world. Because he struggles he assumes everyone else is also. Keep working on your game doggie and one day you “may” understand how it is done.....maybe

[case]

[quote=case]You keep thinking like that and we will keep reaping the benefits
from casinos that need players like you. You are supporting us and don’t
even know it. Again thank you and keep playing.
   Some people are consumed with gambling.  I have even heard stories on this forum of people who have uprooted themselves and moved to Vegas so they can gamble 24/7.  One even posted recently that he can have his dog groomed with comps.  When your whole life revolves around gambling, you don't have room for anything else.  I don't think that is living an "Advantaged Life".  Those of us on the outside play Video Poker for entertainment.  We don't give a damn about VP math, comps, 1% hand plays and who is an AP or not.   I doubt I am paying any AP bills.  If I am, they are living in a tent out in the desert.I had a record year in the market last year. I started trimmed back my stock holdings a few months ago and posted it on this forum.   I am now buying back my stocks at bargain  prices.  Do I gloat at all the people who lost money in the market last week because they are paying my bills?  We all know who started this kind of talk.  It was designed to sell books and software and it works.








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Ya I have even heard of stories of guys who travel all the way the Biloxi to play terrible pay tables. Oh ya they get a free room!!

[FloridaPhil]

When Bob Dancer compares himself to popular sports figures, it makes me sad.  Bob has no clue why some people are against him.  He obviously believes he is a hero that everyone should idolize and love.  Maybe it's because he lives in a town built on gambling?  Outside of Vegas, he comes off as just another con man selling a get rich scheme.When you sell people a strategy that promises to beat the casinos, people want to buy it.  When it doesn't work, people are disappointed.   When that strategy loses money, they get angry.  When the person who sold them the dream calls them unintelligent, they become enemies.  When that same person gloats and says "You suckers are paying my bills", people become incensed.  I'm sure by now millions of people have read at least one of Dancer's books.  How many of them actually beat the casinos long term?  50%  10%  1% or less?  Some hit a string of royals or earn some nice comps and think Dancer's strategy is great.  Until it doesn't work anymore.  There is a huge flaw in this strategy that no one talks about it.  The RNG.   It doesn't know math.   It doesn't know who is playing the machine or how disciplined or skilled they are.  It just picks out numbers at "RANDOM".  It can just as easily pick out five royals as 10,000 hands without a quad.  Once you get to a certain skill level, winning or losing in this game is up to luck and nothing anyone can do will change that.If you are one of the lucky Dancer strategy players, you think it's great.  If you are the other 99.9%, you have a love hate relationship with it.   The truth is this strategy creates profit for one person because it was designed that way from the beginning.  That person calls himself "Bob Dancer".Before anyone here gets excited and wants to pick a fight, let me say that I do not think the real person behind the name "Bob Dancer" is a bad person or that his strategy has no value.  Bob Dancer is a business person.  His motives are to make HIM a profit, not you.  We owe him thanks for informing us about odds, comps and computer generated plays.   It may work for you and it may not.  It all depends on the cards.Note: I assume Bob uses big type for his posts because he doesn't see well these days.  I use glasses myself.  I used it here so he doesn't miss anything.

[FAA]

10,000 hands without a quad.----------------------------------------I wish. You could have added a zero to emphasize your point. I considered myself lucky yesterday to claw back Friday's loss. VP is really about having the discipline to leave ahead and the conviction to not chase losses. Spare me the strategy nuances that are overvalued to begin with. Just have common sense and a good head on your shoulders while gambling.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=FAA]Spare me the strategy nuances that are overvalued to begin with. Just
have common sense and a good head on your shoulders while gambling.[/quote]True words of wisdom.