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If the machines take it back, that would be one thing and borderline tolerable. They easily take back double to triple the average jackpot win over a year's time. The thrill of risking big money has quickly become overrated for me. I'd love a hand pay for the bucket list, but it's too expensive a purchase. The difference between $10 and $50 annual comps is about $4,000.
CS 2018
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FloridaPhil
- Video Poker Master
- Posts: 6229
- Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:28 am
I'm not on this forum to tell anyone how to play VP. I'm here to discuss VP as I experience it myself. If other's want to enjoy playing VP their own way, they shouldn't be called unintelligent or disrespected. Everyone that plays VP with their own money chooses to play the way that gives them the most enjoyment. Right now I am playing with the math. I feel it gives me the best chance of a financial gain or at least holding my losses to a minimum. I'm looking forward to playing a lot of VP this year. I'll do the best I can and report what happens.
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billryan
- Video Poker Master
- Posts: 4422
- Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:20 pm
So after years of baseless claims, it turns out Phil's CS 2018 ends up being nothing more than traditional video poker strategy as put out by dozens of adherents.
Rather than admit he was wrong, he simply evolves into the very position he claimed was so horrible all this time.
It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
Rather than admit he was wrong, he simply evolves into the very position he claimed was so horrible all this time.
It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
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FloridaPhil
- Video Poker Master
- Posts: 6229
- Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:28 am
[quote=billryan]Rather than admit he was wrong, he simply evolves into the very position he claimed was so horrible all this time.
It would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
[/quote]I was wrong. Does that make you happy?Bill, where does that leave you? You'll have no one to call names or "burn". I guess when you have no life that's what you do.
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FAA
- Video Poker Master
- Posts: 9209
- Joined: Wed May 28, 2014 11:58 am
There's always the SP classes! We need to survive. Crawling out a wretched loser each week has zero meaning. In fact, it's a constant Groundhog Day of humiliation. I've had it.
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FloridaPhil
- Video Poker Master
- Posts: 6229
- Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:28 am
Take the challenge. Play max coin quarters for two weeks and tell us what happened.
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FAA
- Video Poker Master
- Posts: 9209
- Joined: Wed May 28, 2014 11:58 am
I'd be a winner just by avoiding GA.
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FloridaPhil
- Video Poker Master
- Posts: 6229
- Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:28 am
Most VP has a significant house edge that is very hard for average humans to overcome. 99.9% of players can't or won't invest the enormous time and effort into doing what it takes to win playing VP long term. Even then there are no guarantees. If you are going to lose playing VP long term and you will, why not make the best of it? Enjoy the game, but don't take it too seriously. I could care less if someone on this forum makes a million dollars playing VP. I know I can't, that's all I need to know. Video poker is not rocket science and you don't need a doctorate in mathematics to enjoy it. My advice is to reevaluate why you are playing VP and adjust your play to fit. I have been playing VP for over 10 years. I have always had a love/hate relationship with the game. I loved it 10% of the time and hated it 90% of the time. I have overcome those feelings and you can too. Happy VP players don't beat themselves up when they lose. They expect to lose long term, but their losses don't affect them because they are kept small enough where they don't matter. It's not that hard....
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Tedlark
- Video Poker Master
- Posts: 8605
- Joined: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:29 am
You are so right Phil; video poker is not that hard, nor is it rocket science. In fact, a person DOESN'T need, for example: a degree from an Ivy League school, say Harvard, or any of the other seven, to succeed at video poker. Or, to succeed in life for that matter. Just be a good person, be happy with a positive outlook, take the good with the bad, and smile.
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DAAnMAAn
- VP Veteran
- Posts: 768
- Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:41 am
It seems you have nailed the “positive attitude†portion of being a successful vp player (perhaps successful anything). Without a doubt it is important and I can remember having a negative attitude usually has a direct correlation to a diminishing bankroll.
One of the reasons I made the switch from poker to video poker is this reason, I was tilting too much at the poker tables, not enjoying myself, miserable, and decided to just walk away from it. That was 6 years ago and I don’t miss the days of long hours at the tables with the riff-raff.
Back on point, there is no guarantees on vp success just as there are no guarantees in life. However, one can take steps to increase their chances to have more success on vp...none are requirements or absolutes, just an increase in probability.
1. Long term success in vp is valued at X in which X is different from player To player. One may think X is an hour and another may think X is a year or a lifetime. To me, I measure month to month because at some point, we have to take stock at how we are doing and the business and whether or not things are working or no working.
2. Bankroll plays a very important part in video poker playing. Many people claim vp is impossible to win or never hit a royal or get crushed,
But many times, they are simply under-rolled for the game they are playing...or need to be lucky very quickly, which is a rare occurrence. Having a 3-5 royal bankroll is helpful, bringing an adequate bankroll session for how long and what kind of game one is playing is helpful too. Sorry to say, putting $20 bucks in a single line quarter game or a $100 in a single line dollar game, over 90% of he time, it’s busto. Accurate br considerations can be found in software. My rule
Of thumb from the games I play and the time I have is 250-300 for lower variant games, 4-500 for high variant games (single line quarter). Lately I have been getting away with $500 session roll for .25c 5 play deuces simply because it is a low variant game, even with $6.25 a spin.
Remember bankrolls purpose is to not go broke.
3. Study and software. Nobody knows how bad they play until they get software. I know I didn’t know. Without it, players are costing themeselves up to 5% expected return or more, from what I understand. Anyone who takes playing seriously, must get it and practice.
4. More hands one plays, more jackpots one hits. Pretty simple. Vp is a numbers game. 4 deuces hits about one in 5k hands, royals hit once in 40-45k hands, depending on the game and strategy. Of course, these are statistical probabilities and they are never accurate and full of anomalies. For example, one player hits two royals in 10 minutes, another player is on their third royal cycle without one.
Anyway, I think these things will increase somebodies chance
Of success. Unfortunately there are no guarantees. A final note,
Faith can help too. The belief that one willl hit that royal or deuces
Or aces with kicker or whatever because the math tells them so.
Helps me sometimes anyway.
Cheers
One of the reasons I made the switch from poker to video poker is this reason, I was tilting too much at the poker tables, not enjoying myself, miserable, and decided to just walk away from it. That was 6 years ago and I don’t miss the days of long hours at the tables with the riff-raff.
Back on point, there is no guarantees on vp success just as there are no guarantees in life. However, one can take steps to increase their chances to have more success on vp...none are requirements or absolutes, just an increase in probability.
1. Long term success in vp is valued at X in which X is different from player To player. One may think X is an hour and another may think X is a year or a lifetime. To me, I measure month to month because at some point, we have to take stock at how we are doing and the business and whether or not things are working or no working.
2. Bankroll plays a very important part in video poker playing. Many people claim vp is impossible to win or never hit a royal or get crushed,
But many times, they are simply under-rolled for the game they are playing...or need to be lucky very quickly, which is a rare occurrence. Having a 3-5 royal bankroll is helpful, bringing an adequate bankroll session for how long and what kind of game one is playing is helpful too. Sorry to say, putting $20 bucks in a single line quarter game or a $100 in a single line dollar game, over 90% of he time, it’s busto. Accurate br considerations can be found in software. My rule
Of thumb from the games I play and the time I have is 250-300 for lower variant games, 4-500 for high variant games (single line quarter). Lately I have been getting away with $500 session roll for .25c 5 play deuces simply because it is a low variant game, even with $6.25 a spin.
Remember bankrolls purpose is to not go broke.
3. Study and software. Nobody knows how bad they play until they get software. I know I didn’t know. Without it, players are costing themeselves up to 5% expected return or more, from what I understand. Anyone who takes playing seriously, must get it and practice.
4. More hands one plays, more jackpots one hits. Pretty simple. Vp is a numbers game. 4 deuces hits about one in 5k hands, royals hit once in 40-45k hands, depending on the game and strategy. Of course, these are statistical probabilities and they are never accurate and full of anomalies. For example, one player hits two royals in 10 minutes, another player is on their third royal cycle without one.
Anyway, I think these things will increase somebodies chance
Of success. Unfortunately there are no guarantees. A final note,
Faith can help too. The belief that one willl hit that royal or deuces
Or aces with kicker or whatever because the math tells them so.
Helps me sometimes anyway.
Cheers
