Something to Think About

[Tedlark]

Phil, I am not trying to bait you into anything. I am simply looking for your answer relative to a question I asked you about the statement you made about casino hospitality being enjoyed by players at a fraction of the cost?

To me it is relatively simple but I would like you to explain what hospitalities casinos are giving players who play at minimal coin in or low denominations?

I for one would LOVE to know this insider secret or special play of which you wrote. Most likely there are many others here who would also like to know.

Please explain it to me using simple terms, I don't mind if you go over 2 sentences but please don't go overboard. My use of overboard was a fishing reference to your fishing reference of baiting. See how I'm tieing it in?

[Tedlark]

4/8/2020 Session Two

Starting Credits - 44,763
Ending Credits - 47,263

This afternoon's session was much better with quad 2s with an Ace for 2,000, quad 5s, quad Ks and quad Aces for 800. Added 2,000 credits to my total. The high for the day is currently 6,000 credits, so I decided to quit and save my ammunition for another day. I have the feeling this game is sucking my into a gigantic loss. For now, I am over nine royals ahead.

Wow Phil, you really are lucky.......

Sorry, couldn't fight off the urge.

[FloridaPhil]

Phil, I am not trying to bait you into anything. I am simply looking for your answer relative to a question I asked you about the statement you made about casino hospitality being enjoyed by players at a fraction of the cost?

To me it is relatively simple but I would like you to explain what hospitalities casinos are giving players who play at minimal coin in or low denominations?

I for one would LOVE to know this insider secret or special play of which you wrote. Most likely there are many others here who would also like to know.

Please explain it to me using simple terms, I don't mind if you go over 2 sentences but please don't go overboard. My use of overboard was a fishing reference to your fishing reference of baiting. See how I'm tieing it in?

Ted. The Tampa and Hollywood Hard Rock Casinos are two of the nicest casino resorts in America. Much nicer than any casino in the Northeast with the possible exception of the Mohegan Sun. Many tourists visit these casinos without gambling at all. The video poker odds are about the same or slightly worse than what you might find on the Las Vegas Strip.

If you choose to play the games at these casinos, you may have the win of a lifetime or lose more than you are comfortable with. In the short term anything can happen. If you play as many hands as I do, you must play small or you will feed a large portion of your entertainment budget into the coin slot.

Playing small does not mean you are shortchanged as long as you stay small. If you take $100 with you into the casino, play all day and walk out with $100, you enjoyed the casino's hospitality all day for free. There are not many players who would consider this a loss. You play the same games, listen to the same sounds, enjoy the same air conditioning, sit in the same seats, drink the same drinks and watch the same sights. Hitting a $62.50 royal flush becomes a win instead of a disaster. If losing $100 is going to change your lifestyle, you shouldn't be gambling in the first place.

Contrast this with the experience of a high stakes player. That player just multiplied the amount they will run through the machines by a significant factor. They will suffer through huge losses for a chance at a W2-G that they must pay taxes on. There is also a human cost to losing time after time. A cost that is not healed by winning once in a great while. Unless you have ice water flowing through your veins, you may become depressed. So depressed, you might hurt yourself or someone else. Some people believe Stephen Paddock was one of those players.

I believe the best strategy is to make your play decisions based on your tolerance instead of the odds of the game. I want to play a game where I don't care if I win or lose. I want to walk out thinking I got my money's worth every time, not just once every 40,000 hands. The couple I referred to previously seemed OK with losing $20-30K a week playing Jacks or Better. I personally think this is insane, but I didn't tell them not too.

I don't expect you will get this as you seem to want to dispute everything I write here. I hope some members will.

[FloridaPhil]

Wow Phil, you really are lucky....... Sorry, couldn't fight off the urge.

Luck doesn't exist, remember?

I am posting my daily score so our members can have some real results to observe, unless you believe Webman and I are in cahoots to scam you?

In all the years I have been on this forum, We have never been given verifiable proof of a long term win. We have heard lots of claims. I expect to lose as soon as I hit Gronbog's number.

[Gronbog]

In all the years I have been on this forum, We have never been given verifiable proof of a long term win. We have heard lots of claims. I expect to lose as soon as I hit Gronbog's number.

It will most likely happen sometime before that number. Perhaps even before 1 x N0, but almost certainly by the time you reach 9 x N0. The problem is that you are not tracking your hands played, so we'll never know if/when you get there.

[FloridaPhil]

In all the years I have been on this forum, We have never been given verifiable proof of a long term win. We have heard lots of claims. I expect to lose as soon as I hit Gronbog's number.

It will most likely happen sometime before that number. Perhaps even before 1 x N0, but almost certainly by the time you reach 9 x N0. The problem is that you are not tracking your hands played, so we'll never know if/when you get there.

I suspect you will be right. In the mean time, I'm taking my profits and investing them in stocks. They're on sale right now. I'll live off the dividends so I can claim video poker made me a long term winner.

[Tedlark]

Phil, to me hospitality's given by a casino would include: free play and cash back offers; gifts and trips; meals and hotel stays, etc. Not: come in and enjoy our air conditioning, sit in our comfy seats, people watch and enjoy our free self-serve soda dispenser. You described going window shopping in a mall.....

[FloridaPhil]

Phil, to me hospitality's given by a casino would include: free play and cash back offers; gifts and trips; meals and hotel stays, etc. Not: come in and enjoy our air conditioning, sit in our comfy seats, people watch and enjoy our free self-serve soda dispenser. You described going window shopping in a mall.....

Agreed. Comps are part of your return. If the offer is something that interests me, I will consider playing big enough to earn whatever the offer is. The three day vacation trips to the Beau Rivage in Biloxi are an example of this. They include airfare, lodging, some food and some free play. The video poker odds are some of the worst in the country, so you have to pay attention to what you are doing or you will pay thousands of dollars for something worth hundreds.

My weekly gambling trip to the Hard Rock is not a vacation. It's a way to kill time doing something I enjoy. There are few things they offer that I can't buy cheaper with my own cash. Over paying for comps has the same affect on your results as making errors. This is another example of the problem with how video poker is taught. Telling people not to play negative games is clearly not working. What we need is an expert to tell us how to play the games WE are playing, not the games he/she plays.

What happens when you don't is players try to play like the experts without having everything it takes. They play like they have an advantage when they don't. I know I don't have the games, skills, tolerance or discipline to play like a Vegas professional. I can calculate the cost of my play just like Gronbog or anyone else on this forum. My game is a loser, so I play to keep from losing more than I wish to.

Here is the major difference between me and the average non professional player. Most players see the fun in video poker as hitting jackpots. Many will tolerate big losses so they can experience the thrill of a W2-G. I have hit so many jackpots in my life, they don't thrill me like they used to. I play deuces wild because every hand is an entertainment in itself. It's a very challenging and engaging game. I play small to keep my cost to play reasonable. Believing all your lifetime play is lumped together and you are playing against some phantom score card is ridiculous. I take everything I do one day at a time. I'm playing against Father Time, not the experts.

[FloridaPhil]

4/9/2020 Session one

Starting Credits - 47,263
Ending Credits - 46,763

No quads this morning.

[Tedlark]

Why am I starting to feel like Phil Connors in the movie "Groundhog Day"?

Phil, in your redundant recent response you again did not give me an answer.You mention Beau Rivage and I previously asked you WHEN was the last time you got this trip comped, including everything you mentioned, even airfare.

Please, again, tell us small fish just what hospitality's casinos are giving those who play on the cheap just like you said they are getting.