Something to Think About

[Tedlark]

OMT - Spot on.

[Vman96]

That website has some members who are current APs. They understood my questions and were willing to answer every question I had honestly and without negativity.

Contrary to your statement here, and assuming you are the person who was posting as SingleCoinVP, I certainly could detect a lot of negativity towards you in many of the discussions.

The Wizard of Vegas posters were pretty easy on him though. I eventually thought they would chew him up and spit him out at one point. I felt that some posters were trying hard to remain civil. And it was definitely pointed out that his arguments tended to repeat themselves.

[Tedlark]

Phil our tennis match is starting to bore me. At first it was mildly amusing but it has morphed into you revolving the same information over and over again.

You say that CS was profitable to you. As a seasoned investor that you claim to be: why would you NOT use the CS anymore it you were profiting from it? That makes zero sense (or should I be saying "that makes zero cents?").

You have previously stated that you "get offers from all over the country." I reserve judgement based on your picture. I know, I know, you said that you chose only a small sampling. Did you pick the most photogenic ones?

Your post of Friday April 10, 2020 4:54 am, you edited it six times? SIX TIMES? You definitely need to get an achievement badge for that!

I also just noticed that several of the mailers in your picture are expired and/or old. I could make a snide comment that these are just like the ancient pictures of your video poker hits that you post but I won't.

[FloridaPhil]

The fact that my wife and I get mailers at all should dispute the claim that you must play big to get comps. Did I choose the most photogenic photos? Sure, after all it's a photo. The little one in the center from the Hard Rock is one of multiple offers we receive each month. I have never been turned down for a weeknight room comp at the Hard Rock or the Beau Rivage in Biloxi. Granted, I am not asking for a suite at the Balagio. All you need to get a comped room at your local casino is establish the fact that you will play their games and ask. Once you establish yourself with one casino, the others will start sending you offers. I am sure they exchange or buy lists of frequent players. If you establish yourself with MLife, Harrahs or Caesars, everyone will send you offers. If you are not getting offers like this, you are doing something wrong, not playing enough or playing the wrong games.

Years ago it was possible to make a decent living playing video poker. Today, it's impossible. Not only because of the games, because the casino knows who you are, what you are doing and how you are doing it. They make the rules so they change the odds, the games, the comps and your offers so you won't. The casino does not want players who live off them. If someone is making six figures a year off a casino, the casino allows them to. If a well known player announces he just hit a big royal at XYZ casino, it's worth the advertising. If that person makes frequent appearances at a casino, it's worth the advertising to let him win. This is good for business. It doesn't mean a player off the street will be allowed to do the same thing. The biggest BS claim is that a casino will allow you to only play positive games and shower you with great comps at the same time. I don't know what fantasy world that's in, but it doesn't work that way at my casinos.

That's not what I care about. I want this forum to be open to any and all discussions. I want players to be able to ask questions and get straight answers without being run off. We need to stop sniping at each other and add something of value to the forum. If someone wants to know if incrementing his/her bet can beat a 97% game, we should answer from experience not theory. There are instances in today's casinos where a player can obtain better odds by playing single coin. If we have never had that experience, we should refrain from commenting.

Above all, we should not consider one strategy the only strategy that everyone should use under all circumstances. Without knowing that person's goals, we can not provide intelligent answers. We continually quote the same antiquated stuff that worked twenty years ago. Video poker has changed. Nothing we can do will turn back the clock.

[Waiting4RF]

There are instances in today's casinos where a player can obtain better odds by playing single coin.

Phil, the odds are set by the pay table. Better odds usually means a full house would pay 9 coins instead of 8 coins. Which VP games have a better pay table for single coin instead of max coins?

[seemoreroyals]

Two problems with your last post FP. One, how do casinos let people win? Two, my wife and I have been 7 star and Diamond cardholders with CET for the past 9 years. While we are deluged with offers from all over from CET properties, we do not receive offers from everybody else. No MGM or Boyd gaming or any of the others even though years ago we used to play at the same level at Boyd we are currently playing at CET. In our case even though we play at the same level or higher than you, we are not getting deluged with offers other than from CET.

[FloridaPhil]

Phil, the odds are set by the pay table. Better odds usually means a full house would pay 9 coins instead of 8 coins. Which VP games have a better pay table for single coin instead of max coins?

It is very common in today's casinos to find the single coin dollar odds better than the max coin quarter odds for the same game.

[FloridaPhil]

4/11/2020 Session one

Starting Credits - 45,263
Ending Credits - 44,663

No quads.

[FloridaPhil]

Two problems with your last post FP. One, how do casinos let people win? Two, my wife and I have been 7 star and Diamond cardholders with CET for the past 9 years. While we are deluged with offers from all over from CET properties, we do not receive offers from everybody else. No MGM or Boyd gaming or any of the others even though years ago we used to play at the same level at Boyd we are currently playing at CET. In our case even though we play at the same level or higher than you, we are not getting deluged with offers other than from CET.

I do not know the exact reason we are getting so many offers. I suspect it's due to our video poker road trips. On our travels we play at all types of casinos under many different managements. Our main casinos are the Hard Rocks owned by the Florida tribes, the Beau Rivage an MLife casino owned by MGM and Harrah's Cherokee and Murphy. Whenever we plan one of these trips, we plan our travels around comped rooms. When we call, we give them our card numbers and they offer us a room. Last year on a trip to the Northwest, I called the Ameristar in Black Hawk Colorado. I asked for a comped room and they said we did not have a current offer. I thanked them and told the lady I would call back when they did. Ten minutes later, the girl called me and offered us a room for two nights.

On our last trip to A/C, MGM comped our room at the Borgata. I am sure they would give us a comped room at any other MGM casino resort if we are flexible with our dates. We were planning a trip to Tunica before the virus shut things down.

When we play video poker at a casino, we play mostly quarter single line deuces wild. It is not uncommon for us to play 5,000 hands together in day. This is over $6,000 in coin-in a day. We may play for multiple days. This is more action than the average senior player. Our age and the fact that we live in Florida may also be helping us. Mississippi lost a lot of players when the Florida casinos opened.

Seniors are the lifeblood of casino profits. We have the time and money to spend. We also eat in restaurants, go to the spa and shop in the stores. You can not expect to be given a lot of free stuff if all you do is take from the casino and never give back.

[Tedlark]

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The fact that my wife and I get mailers at all should dispute the claim that you must play big to get comps. Did I choose the most photogenic photos? Sure, after all it's a photo. The little one in the center from the Hard Rock is one of multiple offers we receive each month. I have never been turned down for a weeknight room comp at the Hard Rock or the Beau Rivage in Biloxi. Granted, I am not asking for a suite at the Balagio. All you need to get a comped room at your local casino is establish the fact that you will play their games and ask. Once you establish yourself with one casino, the others will start sending you offers. I am sure they exchange or buy lists of frequent players. If you establish yourself with MLife, Harrahs or Caesars, everyone will send you offers. If you are not getting offers like this, you are doing something wrong, not playing enough or playing the wrong games.

Years ago it was possible to make a decent living playing video poker. Today, it's impossible. Not only because of the games, because the casino knows who you are, what you are doing and how you are doing it. They make the rules so they change the odds, the games, the comps and your offers so you won't. The casino does not want players who live off them. If someone is making six figures a year off a casino, the casino allows them to. If a well known player announces he just hit a big royal at XYZ casino, it's worth the advertising. If that person makes frequent appearances at a casino, it's worth the advertising to let him win. This is good for business. It doesn't mean a player off the street will be allowed to do the same thing. The biggest BS claim is that a casino will allow you to only play positive games and shower you with great comps at the same time. I don't know what fantasy world that's in, but it doesn't work that way at my casinos.

That's not what I care about. I want this forum to be open to any and all discussions. I want players to be able to ask questions and get straight answers without being run off. We need to stop sniping at each other and add something of value to the forum. If someone wants to know if incrementing his/her bet can beat a 97% game, we should answer from experience not theory. There are instances in today's casinos where a player can obtain better odds by playing single coin. If we have never had that experience, we should refrain from commenting.

Above all, we should not consider one strategy the only strategy that everyone should use under all circumstances. Without knowing that person's goals, we can not provide intelligent answers. We continually quote the same antiquated stuff that worked twenty years ago. Video poker has changed. Nothing we can do will turn back the clock.