CS 2018

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=OTABILL]Points 1 & 2, are not absolute. The outcomes cannot be guaranteed as
stated. Winning or losing is dependent on how many VP hands a
recreational player plays during his lifetime. There is no guarantee
regarding"over time". One's VP playing might end abruptly with no long
term to achieve projected mathematical results. Bottom line is that an
occasional recreational VP player can be ahead on negative machines and
lose on positive machines depending on a number of factors.[/quote]I have been stating this on this forum for as long as I have been here.  If the odds are with you, there is a good chance you will win...but no guarantee.   If the odds are against you, there is a good chance  you will lose...still no guarantee.  VP is gambling.  VP is a game of chance.This does not mean I disagree with the experts.  No one will read a book with the title "Video Poker For Winners....Maybe?".   All I am saying is we should be clear on this small detail that many players choose to ignore.

[FAA]

Time to resurrect this thread, if only for my benefit. I flushed away the RF last week with cheap play. Yesterday I forfeited $100 worth of quad wins, $25 on quarter play and $75 on dollar play. When I go max, the hand is either a loser or a wash.

[stevel96a1]

if you lost your royal flush i strongly recommend only play a positive game like FPDW in las vegas.
card count at the tables in PA they have good rules.
or even play live poker but i think house still takes in a rake of your pot

or do the best thing of all don't gamble

[FloridaPhil]

Time to resurrect this thread, if only for my benefit. I flushed away the RF last week with cheap play. Yesterday I forfeited $100 worth of quad wins, $25 on quarter play and $75 on dollar play. When I go max, the hand is either a loser or a wash.

CS is used to stretch your playing time when playing net negative VP games. It also has the added benefit of reducing the cost of playing negative VP games. It does both of these things by limiting your coin in. It has never been and will never be more profitable than playing with an advantage.

What you are doing when you play CS is trading more hands played with your money for smaller jackpots. You make the judgment call that playing more hands is more valuable to you than waiting for a max coin royal flush.

The CS switch to max coins after every four coin win is not based on math. If you are going to play single coin VP, it's actually better from a mathematical standpoint to stay with single coin all the time. The switch is done to provide the player with a chance at a max coin jackpot. This makes the game more exciting than playing single coin all the time. You will hit more single coin jackpots than max coin jackpots using CS.

There are very few situations anymore where I choose to play CS. You have to decide which is more important to you, playing longer cheaper or investing more to see a max coin royal.

If you can gain an advantage on the casino, never ever play single coin.

[FloridaPhil]

Some players believe playing single coin pays better. Over the years I have had a chance to test this theory. I believe this is an illusion created in the minds of human players based on their perceived observations, not actual fact. When you play single coin, you can play 5 times as many hands with your money. With five times more hands, you will see more jackpots. However, the jackpots will be smaller. You only remember the jackpots, not the amount of each jackpot. You will remember a single coin royal for a long time.

When you add the CS "4 coin win switch to max coin" play into the game, the game changes. Instead of the boring prospect of playing single coin all day, you have a higher level of excitement each time the switch occurs. The math says you will still lose long term, but your losses are stretched over a longer period of time. This is the point of CS and it performs that function.

I am actually sorry I ever mentioned CS on this forum. I should have kept it to myself as many people didn't understand the objective. They assumed I was telling people it was more profitable than playing with an advantage. They never read my entire post. It caused a lot of problems when it shouldn't have. Alternative VP strategies all have a purpose. They may not all be profitable.

[FAA]

No, that isn't my issue. I know the trade and enjoy the certainty of playing more. Just frustrated from getting unlucky when stuck with small premium hands and big losers upon switching, RF being the prime fiasco. It's beneficial when on a cold cycle. I did win $60 so consider this a nit pick vent.

[olds442jetaway]

Time is the casino's friend and that is why there are no clocks in the casino. That said, on a low budget day, I would rather play and maybe enjoy some of the other things in and around the casino than go home after an hour with my tail between my legs because I caught a down cycle when I first got there and got wiped out. The more hands that go by the bigger chance you have too of hitting a nice hand that could bail you out like quad deuces on deuces wild or multiple quads closer together on job. Yes, I know every hand is independent of the last, but the probability of hitting a big hand is greater the more hands that are played. For that reason, I will continue to play CS on occasion or even switch to a nickel game with a poor pay table with bet 5 just to play longer and have a whack at a bigger hand over several hours of play. Many people still do not understand the difference between odds and probability and I don't think they ever will no matter how often it is explained to them. The odds of getting heads on one flip of the coin every flip is 50 50, but the probability of getting 8 heads in a row increases the more flips that you do.

[onemoretry]

Many people still do not understand the difference between odds and probability ...

Actually, they are just two different ways of saying the same thing. An event with a 0.1 probability, i.e., a 10% chance, has odds of 9:1 against.

[billryan]

Phil often refers to pay tables as odds. I've gotten tired of trying to correct him, and on the scale of his misinformation, it's relatively benign.

[FloridaPhil]

Phil often refers to pay tables as odds. I've gotten tired of trying to correct him, and on the scale of his misinformation, it's relatively benign.

A few months ago I challenged everyone of this forum to a test. I asked Webman to create two identical 96% games with 10,000 coins to start. One will be locked at max coins (5) and the other locked at single coin. At the end of a time period we will see who has more money left. No one took up this challenge. I wonder why?