CS Revisited

[FloridaPhil]

Good discussion.You can always limit your losses by playing less.  If we both walk into the casino and one of us hits a max coin royal flush in the first 5 minutes and walks out, he's ahead until he starts playing again.  You can see this happen every day on this website.  Players hit a royal flush early in the day,  quit playing and often stay with their name at the top of the screen for the entire day.  This often changes if they choose to play again because they start losing and their score goes down.The problem with negative games is you lose at a higher rate than you win and the worse the odds, the worse this gets.  There is a point in the odds where the royal flush max coin bonus can not overcome the regular hand loses.  I don't know where you play, but the average quarter video poker game in the Southeast is less than 98%.  This is where CS has the advantage over max coins.The best recreational strategy would be to save your money and make one trip to Vegas a year, play full pay deuces wild at max coins and take your chances. If you want to play all week and all you have is 97% games available to you, you're paying to play and the bigger the bet the more it costs.  I initially developed CS to get me through week long trips to the Beau Rivage in Biloxi where the video poker odds are the worst in the country.  It worked well for that purpose.  There are many players on this forum that have similar challenges.My wife and I are now much more selective about where we play on vacation.  By
limiting our play to casinos that offer decent comps and 98.9% or better odds, we are able to play max coins
all the time and it has worked out well.  If I had to return to Biloxi or anywhere the odds were less than 98%, I would play CS quarters to save money.  Better yet, I would stay home and save the gas too...

[olds442jetaway]

What messes up our " guarantee " of winning using perfect strategy, maximizing comps, and using all of the free play is the fact that long term is much more than a lifetime even approaching infinity and short term can be a lifetime or longer. That is why I think vp should be for recreation and vacation and not for a vocation. Some will be just luckier than others no matter which rules are followed or not followed. It definitely does help to follow the rules to maximize your total return, but doing so does not in any way mean you will have a guarantee of a positive total return.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=olds442jetaway]Some will be just luckier than others no matter which rules
are followed or not followed.[/quote]Well stated.  This should be etched on the back of our players cards. 

[FAA]

CS even has the advantage in 99.5ers. Cold cycles are longer than hot cycles.

[FloridaPhil]

The reason CS rubs so many players the wrong way is that they want more than anything to believe there is a strategy that can beat a negative game.   Adopting any single coin strategy forces a player to confront the fact that this isn't true.  Talking about limiting losses is not popular, glamorous or exciting.  It's a turtle's strategy when everyone dreams of being the hare.  Players do win big jackpots, there is no doubt about that.    How much they lose before and after is never talked about or revealed.  This is the nature of human beings.

[olds442jetaway]

     Just back from a day run I hadn't planned and an evening of watching old movies with dad. Had a little free play and it was still raining this morning so yard work got postponed. Ho hum day. Just played CS on the machines that pay the correct amount for the Royal with just a nickel bet on spin poker. They are only 96% machines, but it was fun anyway. I finally hit 5 of a kind on Joker Kings on one line with 5 nickels bet playing CS. I think CS still works the best on deuces wild. The stretches without any good hits were much longer on the joker kings game. This was a planned low budget day. The gal next to me had a fantastic hit. She was playing ten hands DDB for nickels with Ultimate X. I don't know the exact hits, but she had at least 4 quad Aces with kickers out of the ten lines and a 4 multiplier to boot. I don't know the payout per hit, but she won 1300 bucks on that deal. She had been watching my game and seemed quite interested in CS. especially when the 5 of a kind hit and I had only been playing a nickel a line on 3 lines of Spin Poker. I also had a few straight flushes and a couple of Wild Royals over the course of the day on Joker Kings. Stayed with the same machine all day. I referred her to this site which she didn't know about. Best of luck and safe trip Phil. Hi to the Mrs. Just as an aside, I figure I played about 14,400 hands. 600 per hour times the 3 lines for 8 hours. I should have had about 3 5 of a kinds and maybe a one in three chance at a Royal, but 1 5 of a kind is better than none. Besides the nice hit the gal next to me had, I did see another guy hit a Royal about ten feet away on quarter DDB. I forgot to mention one thing. The gal that had the big hit and was watching me play CS compared it to Ultimate x in that on a decent hit, you have a chance on the next hand for a much bigger hit. ( multiplier ). I never thought of it that way. The downside though is on Ultimate x you aren't playing cheap most of the day and you have that extra coin bet on every deal. Maybe that is why she seemed interested in CS. Anyway, just thought I would mention it.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=olds442jetaway]The gal that had the big hit and was watching me play CS compared it to
Ultimate x in that on a decent hit, you have a chance on the next hand
for a much bigger hit. ( multiplier ). I never thought of it that way.[/quote]This idea has occurred to me. I think she's right.  CS is a cheap high variance game. It's so much more fun than regular video poker and the savings are substantial.  Most of the players who knock it have never tried it for any length of time.  A few people have financial motivations for shutting down all discussion of CS, but most are just criticizing something they know nothing about.  Their loss...

[FAA]

Okay, it works best on non quad games. Nevertheless, I still cheap out on JOB. If you are disciplined enough to actually save while losing 55% of your hands, by all means do so.

[olds442jetaway]

I'm not knocking 9/6 JOB. You can't knock a game that returns 99.54% long term. However, for me, those 6-8 hour stretches without quads, make me want to audition for a remake of " One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest ". Anyone who talks to me shortly after I have a session like that, would realize I am eminently qualified for a role in that movie.

[FAA]

I'm shot after two quad free hours. Pretty bad memories of those days. It has never gone much longer than that. Usually I'm approaching bust status if that occurs. But today the fertile soil had a fine crop, yielding three quads in about one hundred minutes. It's all good in the hood. I even ordered a beer from my machine while in hot pursuit of the third, which I never do as I'm always so frazzled and desperate. I just knew that it was coming soon. My only concern was getting a max coin pay out, which I too pulled off. I felt like Houdini. After losing $50 in a blink, it sure came back strong. I'm surprised that I found the guts to stay on it. It took winning craps for that $25 supplemental cash. I would have been livid that I let the lock box home. I was depositing all my Bally's winnings at Caesars and feeling like absolute crap. I did another crap job of earning comps, given the $50 per point structure. CET will always have this odious detriment to revile.