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[onemoretry]

The difference is I recommended playing single coin quarters..... Perhaps my memory is a bit faulty (goes with old age, I guess), but it seems to me that there was a lot more to the Cheap System than simply playing single coin all the time. Why else would you call call it a system?

[billryan]

Play single coins until you hit a full house, switch to second coin until a four coin win, stay there until a blonde drink server passes your machine, then drop to single coin until just before the royal flush shows up.
Easy Peezy.But discretion is advised as casinos fear the cs method.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=onemoretry]Perhaps my memory is a bit faulty (goes with old age, I guess), but it
seems to me that there was a lot more to the Cheap System than simply
playing single coin all the time. Why else would you call call it a
system?[/quote]Yes, there was.  I won't go into it in detail because someone will accuse me of promoting it all over again.  It was a progressive strategy that called for a move from single coin to max coin play at regularly paced intervals.  It's success had nothing to do with what occurred on any previous hands even though some people interpreted it that way.   It's real advantage was three fold.  First, it allowed a player to play 4-5 times as many hands with the same money which to a recreational player is a positive outcome.  This also gave the player 4-5 times as many chances of hitting a jackpot with the same money.   Second, it allowed a disciplined player to keep more max coin jackpots instead of feeding them back into the machine. Thirdly, it added a new element of excitement into a normally dull single coin game.I enjoyed playing VP this way.  It cut my bankroll requirements substantially and it was a more exciting way to play more hands for less money.   I received a number of emails and forum messages thanking me for my efforts.   It never dawned on me that Mr. Dancer would be so concerned about how a single coin quarter player played VP as he always said losers were paying his bills.  When I showed proof that someone could win with an alternative strategy, he went into attack mode.After he called me a liar, unintelligent, undisciplined and stupid, I told him what I thought of his marketing strategy.  All this was pretty benign until he posted a link to his totally discussing article about his daughter marrying a professional gambler.  In my opinion this took it to an entirely new low.  I could care less how he feels in his heart on this issue.  I do care when he goes public with this endorsement. 

[billryan]

Someone's nose is growing. Again.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]Someone's nose is growing. Again.[/quote]Same old Billy.  Calling me a liar without saying what you think I'm lying about.   I think most members can see what you are about.  How about some substance for a change.   Mr. Dancer taught you well.   Does he have a class on smoke screens?  Sounds to me like you made the honor roll. 

[billryan]

I learned to recognize a liar long before I ever heard of Video Poker. I'm pretty sure anyone who follows this knows you and your nature. The comments on the other thread speak for themselves.

[FloridaPhil]

Like I said.  All talk and nothing else.  Here's what I'll do.  If you can prove anything I said in this post is a lie, I will leave the forum one week for each lie.  If you can't, you follow Mr. Dancer on vacation.  Here's your chance for you and Mr. Dancer to get rid of me.  If I lie as much as you say, I should be gone forever.  Go for it.

[billryan]

Sure.
You said I was Bob Dancer. Then you said I was his son in law, then you said that I had stopped posting when he re-appeared and it was pointed out to you that I had made thirty plus posts between the time he appeared and when you said that.
See you in three weeks when I'll post three more and you can take another vacation.
If you posts in the next three weeks, your last statement will be proven to be a lie.
I don't really expect you to leave. Your word is pretty useless. This will simply confirm it.

[FloridaPhil]

OK Let's take the first assumption.   Bob Dancer declared his first vacation last fall I believe.  Shortly there after you appeared on this forum spouting the exact same insults and picking apart every post I made.  You knew all about CS and repeated every word Dancer said almost to the letter.  Since I never heard of you before that and I had no reason to think anything about you one way or the other, you sounded just like Bob Dancer to me.  If you aren't him or a relative you copied his same tactics of insult and diversion from the facts.  You are mostly likely friends with him or some of his gambler buddies and you are trying to win the favor of your hero.  Either that or he sent you to this forum to do his dirty work because he didn't have the guts to do it himself.   Sorry, no cigar...Let's get back to video poker.  What do you have against saving small time players money?

[alpax]

This is to respond to an earlier post in the morning.

What I see is your misunderstanding of things that is causing all the issues. I do not have much downtime to explain in detail for now.



All I ever did was give players on a budget or those who hate losing a way to play VP longer with the money they have.  For some reason totally unknown to me, Mr. Dancer interpreted my Recreational Strategy as dangerous.  In his normal fashion (which his followers use as well) he started calling me names which ignited a fire storm that continues to this day.  I have been on this forum since 2008.  I challenge anyone to post any statement I have ever made about video poker that was a lie.   You may find places where I disagreed with Mr. Dancer or made some wrong assumptions, but you will not find any outright lies.  If you can, post them so we can talk about it.  If I lied, I will admit it.



I do not want to speak for Mr. Dancer, but if I feel there was a one single most important statement/advice he offered for anyone who plays.

"If you do not have the edge, do not play"

The issue in hand is how much you promoted your way as a winning way when Mr. Dancer knew theoretically the house still had a few percent advantage.

I put disclaimers ahead of time on any comment or any game analysis in which I feel the player can lose. I think you should warn people before they get a misconception of your ideas.


The majority of Mr. Dancer's strategy and VP information is solid and indisputable.  My biggest personal problem has always been his glamorization of high stakes gambling.   Others may have different opinions.  Through my charity work, I have met people who lost their life savings gambling.  Four years ago, I was asked to help a woman who's husband had died.   Their home was paid for and he had $200,000 in life insurance.  She got into going to the Hard Rock.  Like me she had won big early on.  This was the worst thing that could ever happen to her.   When I met her she had lost the life insurance and had even mortgaged her home for gambling money. Very sad.




People read how Mr. Dancer wins big money gambling.  Many assume they can do it too.  In the beginning I know I did.  His books and statements make the life of gambling sound so great.   He throws in a few disclaimers once in a while or tells them they aren't intelligent enough, but the damage is done.  


Many people feel gambling is a source of entertainment. People who are not knowledgeable will be stunned to find out what they are theoretically set to lose at an hourly rate. It does transcend what a reasonable cost of entertainment should be.

Every percent edge is huge, the casino can easily have more than 5-13% on the games they offer.

Stories like these have happened nationwide. Addiction is serious. The big win fuels people to continue. That is also why discipline is so important.


Mr. Dancer even tells people he would be happy if his daughter married a gambler.  I'm sure you guys in Vegas see the aftermath of this every day.  How many failed gamblers are on the street, in jail or worse?   A few make it, but what about the damage this talk causes along the way?


I do not think Mr. Dancer implicitly or explicity ever stated he would be happy to have his niece (not daughter) marry a gambler.

Several couples I've met want their daughters to marry a man who is financially capable of supporting a family down the line despite how much they are in love. There are many other concerns, but finances is definitely high.

Saying that a man is a gambler would instantly raise red flags because of the financial/disciplinary concerns. However, Mr. Dancer has the privilege to encounter many professional gamblers and knows what their habits and disciplines are to be successful.

What Mr. Dancer wrote in that article is that he would need to have a long talk with the man to probe extensively what he does as a professional gambler.

Thus, Mr. Dancer would either know if the man is cut out to be successful or not; ultimately from there Mr. Dancer will approve and provide his blessings if he can determine the man will be a successful one.

This is all in theory if the situation was to arise in real life.


What is to be gained from Mr. Dancer announcing to the world that he gambles $30,000 dollars a day in a gas station and wins?  If I was him I would do it and keep it to myself.  I have no problem whatsoever if someone wants to gamble 100 times that much.  My problem comes when they use it to sell books, promote a radio show or fill classes.  What other reason would there be for doing this?   Other than his famous condescending attitude, I have no other problems with Mr. Dancer, his followers or any part of his strategy.Mr. Dancer is obviously very good at what he does.  He has worked a lifetime to develop his strategy and it works if you have his games, skills, discipline and bankroll.  He should be given all the credit for his accomplishments.  No one gave him anything and he made it on his own.  I respect that.  One day he will look back on his life and most likely be happy with it.   I only hope the ghosts of all the people harmed by trying to duplicate his results don't haunt his memory.  I'm pretty sure he will read this post.  If he would like to respond, I would welcome it.  Come back Mr. Dancer.  There is nothing to fear here.P.S. This post has nothing thing to do with Recreational Video Poker which is all I ever wish to discuss on this forum.   When someone on this forum makes false statements about me, I am forced to respond.   Running away from your critics only makes things worse.



I believe Mr. Dancer has stated only pursue the opportunity if your bankroll can handle it and to study the risks of pursuing the opportunity. Players who do not do that will face Gambler's ruin.