Gold Exclusive: Double Super Times Pay

[Webman]

I think the odds are just slightly different than that, accounting for situations where both multipliers would have been earned, but I think the odds are about 1/7.759 of a dealt royal being a 20x.So of the dealt royals in this game, if each multiplier has odds of 1/15:87.1% would be 1x12.89% would be 20xI will ask for clarification on this, however, to be sure the above is accurate.

[wizard5]

I think the odds are just slightly different than that, accounting for situations where both multipliers would have been earned, but I think the odds are about 1/7.759 of a dealt royal being a 20x.

So of the dealt royals in this game, if each multiplier has odds of 1/15:
87.1% would be 1x
12.89% would be 20x

I will ask for clarification on this, however, to be sure the above is accurate.


 
So sounds like the player gets a 1/15 chance, and if he didn't get the multiplier, then he gets another one.  So the probability of getting the multiplier would be (1/15)+(14/15)*(1/15) = 12.89%, or 1 in 7.7586, as you wrote. 
 
I'll await on the confirmation.  Actually, I asked IGT too, but have not received an answer yet.

[wizard5]

What IGT has given me is a list of returns. Reverse engineering them, I get a probability of the 20x multiplier on a wild royal of 7.8% to 7.9%. A probability that works out well is 3/38. However, this would be sensitive to how IGT rounds their returns.

[wizard5]

Since I wrote my last post, I see the rules now say that the multiplier on a dealt royal is 10x. If I put in a probability of a 10x multiplier on a dealt royal as 1/6 then my returns agree with those provided to me. Any comments?

[wizard5]

Sorry, but I have yet another rule update. I think this will be the last.

On a dealt royal, the probability of a multiplier on the deal is still 1 in 15, but if won, it is always 20, and there would be no opportunity for another multiplier on the draw. If the player does not win the 20x multiplier on the deal, then he gets a second chance at draw multiplier with a 1 in 15 chance, and average multiplier of 4.01.

[Webman]

My understanding of this has changed as well, but only for the draw multiplier.If a multiplier comes on the deal with the dealt royal flush, you will indeed get 20x (10x+10x), but if the deal multiplier is not present, you then have another chance at a multiplier on the draw after the royal flush cards are held (automatically), which would have normal odds (1 in 15 and average of 4.01).Edit: I think that's exactly what you said.

[New2vp]

Webman, I can see that the words on the DSTP help screen are consistent with what you are now saying.However, in light of this, the results of the September contest were a bit odd.  Someone may want to double check to see if the online version was working according to these rules.In the contest, there were 7 instances of dealt royals with the 20x multiplier and zero dealt royals with any other multiplier.  (The top 100 scores went down to 23,175 for the game total.  Any game with a dealt royal and any multiplier would have been shown as it would have had at least 12,000 x 2 = 24,000 points on a single hand.)With 116,864 sessions at 200 deals per session, you reported about 23,372,800 deals.  23,372,800 / 649740 gets you 35.97 expected dealt royals.  Dividing by 15 gets you 2.40 expected dealt royals with deal multipliers.  For those dealt royals without a deal multiplier, one would expect (35.97 - 2.40)/15 = 2.24 draw multipliers.It is reasonable that bad luck might have prevented any draw multipliers on dealt royals (but only about a 14% chance of having none with that many dealt hands).  It is odder that there would be as many as 7 dealt royals with deal multipliers (about 1% chance); these results are more in line with our previous understanding, that any multiplier on the deal or draw would have yielded the 20x.  These are not independent events, so one cannot simply multiply probabilities to get the chance of both things happening simultaneously, but I'd say the odds of having both events occurring (0 draw multipliers and 7 or more deal multipliers) are about 600 to 1, given the assumptions and rules suggested.In hypothesis testing parlance, at least during the contest, evidence suggests a statistically significant chance that some mechanism other than the latest explanation was responsible for the results.

[Ice9Tre]

I realize that this question is a little late to the conversation -- but perhaps it can still be answered ...

So asking Webman here ... what happens on screen when someone gets that multiplier on the deal with the dealt royal? Are there extra animations for the first multiplier changing to 10x (assuming it already isn't) and a 2nd 10x multiplier flying out to add to it to make it 20x ... or some other animation like that? Or ... is it all just so instant and the player won't know what hit them until they get the frozen screen, music, flashing light and jackpot amount on their screen?

Just curious!!

Thanks,

-T