RF On A MG Machine??????

[Frank Kneeland]

The other day at the casino, wife and I sat down next to a guy who was playing totally the opposite of any rationale system. My wife said he was crazy. However,he threw away a pair, kept a solo 4 and hit 4 sevens. He hit a number of 4 of a kinds where he threw away paying pairs, such as Kings, keeping small pairs. He came out ahead. Shows that for all the math, one can get lucky in the short run. No one ever said you couldn't. When you alter your strategy from optimal to holding other things, it will change the type and disposition of hands that you can and will get.For instance, if you only hold royal cards you can increase the number of Royal Flushes significantly. What you gain in the left hand is given with the right (slowly and often imperceptibly).Optimal strategy frequently favors more common and lower paying hands, so by definition it is less memorable, since we tend to remember larger infrequent hands.The day one can remember perfectly, every pay pair they've ever had, with proportionate weight and significance as every Royal they've ever had, is the day they should start listening to hindsight.

[OTABILL]

[QUOTE=OTABILL]

The other day at the casino, wife and I sat down next to a guy who was playing totally the opposite of any rationale system. My wife said he was crazy. However,he threw away a pair, kept a solo 4 and hit 4 sevens. He hit a number of 4 of a kinds where he threw away paying pairs, such as Kings, keeping small pairs. He came out ahead. Shows that for all the math, one can get lucky in the short run. No one ever said you couldn't. When you alter your strategy from optimal to holding other things, it will change the type and disposition of hands that you can and will get.For instance, if you only hold royal cards you can increase the number of Royal Flushes significantly. What you gain in the left hand is given with the right (slowly and often imperceptibly).Optimal strategy frequently favors more common and lower paying hands, so by definition it is less memorable, since we tend to remember larger infrequent hands.The day one can remember perfectly, every pay pair they've ever had, with proportionate weight and significance as every Royal they've ever had, is the day they should start listening to hindsight.[/QUOTE]
 Couldn't agree more. However, I do believe that some folks are luckier and wind up with more success than others over an extended period of time assuming all are employing optimal (or the same) strategy.

[Frank Kneeland]

Couldn't agree more. However, I do believe that some folks are luckier and wind up with more success than others over an extended period of time assuming all are employing optimal (or the same) strategy.
And I couldn't agree more. With randomness in play we would hardly expect their results to be the same, now would we? Cheers,off to play a huge progressive.

[bandits sis]

From reading various magazines and articles abou VP it is my understanding that they use a RNS (random number selector) for the cards dealt after you hold - a RF is supposedly accomplished every 40,000 hands or so regardless of the denomination.  It has been my experience that is not so all of the time. I was at a casino here in St. Louis recently and hit a RF and then 2 hands later another on the same machine and denomination.  Was quite thrilled I must say.  At another casino I hit a RF and then about 15 mins. later hit another one on same machine but a higher denomination.  I don't really think they can predetermine what a person will hit because people hold cards differently from each other. I will hold an ace and a ten of the same suit and most people will hold only the ace. Just depends on your concept of best way/odds of winning. 

[Frank Kneeland]

From reading various magazines and articles abou VP it is my understanding that they use a RNS (random number selector) for the cards dealt after you hold - a RF is supposedly accomplished every 40,000 hands or so regardless of the denomination.  It has been my experience that is not so all of the time. I was at a casino here in St. Louis recently and hit a RF and then 2 hands later another on the same machine and denomination.  Was quite thrilled I must say.  At another casino I hit a RF and then about 15 mins. later hit another one on same machine but a higher denomination.  I don't really think they can predetermine what a person will hit because people hold cards differently from each other. I will hold an ace and a ten of the same suit and most people will hold only the ace. Just depends on your concept of best way/odds of winning.  40,000 is an average. What you are describing is perfectly normal randomness. In events involving randomness, like gambling, one should expect the unexpected. If things go exactly as planned you should be very surprised.~FK

[sherrell_b]

I am but a layman video poker player and not a mathematician or statistic guru, therefore do not keep track of what I keep at what time. The example I gave was just to show how they can not program that into a machine. I have hit so many royals in the past 15 - 20 years that when I was working I ended up having to present tax forms and photos to my coworkers so they would stop calling me a liar. My spending average for a trip was around $2000 and I almost always hit at least one $1 machine for a royal. I tend to go by my own experience and I am good at the game. Lucky, too.

[Dealt4oak]

I am but a layman video poker player and not a mathematician or statistic guru, therefore do not keep track of what I keep at what time. The example I gave was just to show how they can not program that into a machine. I have hit so many royals in the past 15 - 20 years that when I was working I ended up having to present tax forms and photos to my coworkers so they would stop calling me a liar. My spending average for a trip was around $2000 and I almost always hit at least one $1 machine for a royal. I tend to go by my own experience and I am good at the game. Lucky, too. You need to just be grateful that youre that lucky. Hitting at least one $1royal on every trip with a bankroll good enough for only one session on dollar vp has nothing to do with skill. Going through 3+ cycles before hitting a royal is common and you're doing it every trip within that bankroll is actually quite amazing so you should hope, knock on wood, the vp gods dont change their mind. By the way what game are you playing? Because if you're playing anything other than JOB or BP that would be even more amazing. I say this because these games allow a short bankroll to last longer.

[Frank Kneeland]

You need to just be grateful that youre that lucky. Hitting at least one $1royal on every trip with a bankroll good enough for only one session on dollar vp has nothing to do with skill. Going through 3+ cycles before hitting a royal is common and you're doing it every trip within that bankroll is actually quite amazing so you should hope, knock on wood, the vp gods dont change their mind. By the way what game are you playing? Because if you're playing anything other than JOB or BP that would be even more amazing. I say this because these games allow a short bankroll to last longer.Welcome to the forum Dealt4oak. You're off to a good start. You are certainly correct, hitting a RF a trip is very unlikely, very GOOD, and very worrisome, if...1. The person experiencing the exceptional good fortune begins to expect it.2. The person tires to top their previous results.3. Thinks in the face of later losses that things will return to how the used to be.Having exceptionally good results as a new gambler, has been linked to increased risk for developing problems later.So super, well done, and drinks raised all around! Just put it in context, know it was unlikely to begin with, and don't modify your future gambling based on the past. Keep it fun.~FK

[royal flush]

but they get a head start keep it up

[sherrell_b]

Not a new gambler. Been going to Vegas since I was 21 & am now 65. BUT...didn't start winning anything until I started playing VP about 25 years ago and not until I upped my ante to $1 VP. And, yes, I know I am VERY lucky. And don't expect anything except free drinks!
I play all kinds of games. Like triple double bonus, double double bonus and just plain old bonus the most. But I play lots of different things.