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Most I have ever had in W2G's was $135k in one year, playing $1, 2$ single/multi lines. 4 royals from, $4300-$10,200 area. 4 aces progressives and so on. $600K seems way out of reach to me also.
Its tax time guess the W2G
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mrgrandpiano
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At $9K per 40K hands, isn't that around 2.8 million hands to get to $640K? Through in some $2 play and 2.8 million hands is certainly feasible for a year of every day play. With perfect play the expected loss on 9/6 DDB would be ~$30K +- $50K. From these numbers we can see how someone might get "hooked". One year you win $20K, but then a -$80K year might be right around the corner.
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BillyJoe
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Theoretically, he should get around $9K worth of W2Gs for every 40K hands. That would come out to around 7.8 million hands. Nope, does not compute on single line. If he played all $2 that would still be almost 4 million hands..
I'd be more willing to believe $64K worth of W2Gs.
Well, here is a fact: The wife and I, combined, had over $525k of W2Gs in 2011, and we live in FLA !! Now, I know that we are sick VP puppys, but if we could get to that level by just taking trips, I would have to think that a person with more casino access, playing more than we do in a year, could get $640k of W2Gs.
I'd be more willing to believe $64K worth of W2Gs.
Well, here is a fact: The wife and I, combined, had over $525k of W2Gs in 2011, and we live in FLA !! Now, I know that we are sick VP puppys, but if we could get to that level by just taking trips, I would have to think that a person with more casino access, playing more than we do in a year, could get $640k of W2Gs.
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damule
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billyjoe,
The problem with this is that spx said his friend primarily plays just single line dollars. On single line dollars, there is only a maximum of 3 winning hands that will require a W2G. Consider single line $1 TDB: RF ($4000), aces w/kicker ($4000), and low quads w/kicker ($2000).
I play alot of 5-play dollars and can receive W2G's on a multitude of hands including any dealt quad. Billyjoe, I've seen some of your jackpot pics on here and I'm sure most of your W2G's come on $5 or multi-play type games.
I think spx's statement is impossibly true. I just believe if a player was playing that much through to attain that amount of W2G's on the games as described, the amount of money lost would be so staggering that it could not be practically sustained for the amount of time that would be required to generate the stated results.
I'd need New2vp to help on this, but using shadowman's theoretical of about 7 million hands, I think we're talking something like 800 hands per hour, 24 hours per day, 365 days per year to generate the amount of play required. Oh, and besides the 3-4 million dollars or so lost in that time at games that return about 99%.
The problem with this is that spx said his friend primarily plays just single line dollars. On single line dollars, there is only a maximum of 3 winning hands that will require a W2G. Consider single line $1 TDB: RF ($4000), aces w/kicker ($4000), and low quads w/kicker ($2000).
I play alot of 5-play dollars and can receive W2G's on a multitude of hands including any dealt quad. Billyjoe, I've seen some of your jackpot pics on here and I'm sure most of your W2G's come on $5 or multi-play type games.
I think spx's statement is impossibly true. I just believe if a player was playing that much through to attain that amount of W2G's on the games as described, the amount of money lost would be so staggering that it could not be practically sustained for the amount of time that would be required to generate the stated results.
I'd need New2vp to help on this, but using shadowman's theoretical of about 7 million hands, I think we're talking something like 800 hands per hour, 24 hours per day, 365 days per year to generate the amount of play required. Oh, and besides the 3-4 million dollars or so lost in that time at games that return about 99%.
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onemoretry
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2.8 million hands is certainly feasible for a year of every day play.
It may be feasible, but it is extremely improbable. Even at the indicated sustained rate of 1200 hands per hour (I don't know how anyone could do that over an extended period of time), 2.8 million dealt hands represents about 2333 hours of play. That, in turn, equates to around 6.5 hours of play per day, for each and every of the 365 days of the year. It's not impossible, but does anyone, even if they live close to a casino, really play that much?
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BillyJoe
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billyjoe,
The problem with this is that spx said his friend primarily plays just single line dollars. On single line dollars, there is only a maximum of 3 winning hands that will require a W2G. Consider single line $1 TDB: RF ($4000), aces w/kicker ($4000), and low quads w/kicker ($2000).
I play alot of 5-play dollars and can receive W2G's on a multitude of hands including any dealt quad. Billyjoe, I've seen some of your jackpot pics on here and I'm sure most of your W2G's come on $5 or multi-play type games.
I think spx's statement is impossibly true. I just believe if a player was playing that much through to attain that amount of W2G's on the games as described, the amount of money lost would be so staggering that it could not be practically sustained for the amount of time that would be required to generate the stated results.
I'd need New2vp to help on this, but using shadowman's theoretical of about 7 million hands, I think we're talking something like 800 hands per hour, 24 hours per day, 365 days per year to generate the amount of play required. Oh, and besides the 3-4 million dollars or so lost in that time at games that return about 99%.
You are probably right, Mule, but I have been going to Vegas for many years, and I have learned to not discount anything, no matter how improbable it may seem.
I still do not see, however, how he could expect to calculate the number of hands that he played just based on the W2G count. Those two things are not dependant on each other, unless you want to apply the payback %, which is over the life of a machine, to just one person in one year.
The problem with this is that spx said his friend primarily plays just single line dollars. On single line dollars, there is only a maximum of 3 winning hands that will require a W2G. Consider single line $1 TDB: RF ($4000), aces w/kicker ($4000), and low quads w/kicker ($2000).
I play alot of 5-play dollars and can receive W2G's on a multitude of hands including any dealt quad. Billyjoe, I've seen some of your jackpot pics on here and I'm sure most of your W2G's come on $5 or multi-play type games.
I think spx's statement is impossibly true. I just believe if a player was playing that much through to attain that amount of W2G's on the games as described, the amount of money lost would be so staggering that it could not be practically sustained for the amount of time that would be required to generate the stated results.
I'd need New2vp to help on this, but using shadowman's theoretical of about 7 million hands, I think we're talking something like 800 hands per hour, 24 hours per day, 365 days per year to generate the amount of play required. Oh, and besides the 3-4 million dollars or so lost in that time at games that return about 99%.
You are probably right, Mule, but I have been going to Vegas for many years, and I have learned to not discount anything, no matter how improbable it may seem.
I still do not see, however, how he could expect to calculate the number of hands that he played just based on the W2G count. Those two things are not dependant on each other, unless you want to apply the payback %, which is over the life of a machine, to just one person in one year.
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mrgrandpiano
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Here are the expected W2G amounts per 40K hands for all the games mentioned by the original poster: $1 9/6 DDB - $9K $1 9/7 TDB - $28K$1 8/5 Super Aces - $23K $2 9/6 DDB - $38K $2 9/7 TDB - $66K $2 8/5 Super Aces - $46K Note that 40K hands is about 1 week of play (33 hours) at 1200 hands/hour. The original poster said that his friend "sprinkles" in the other games listed above. It seems possible to me that his # of hands could be around 1.5-2.5 million to get the $640K of W2Gs. Thats translates to about 30 hours per week. Seems possible to me. As a forum newbie, I was surprised by the reaction to the original poster. Not sure why he has to justify his numbers. He was just looking for a typical number of hands that his friend would have played to produce $640K in W2Gs. An approximate # is 1.5-2.5 million depending on play.
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backsider
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Here are the expected W2G amounts per 40K hands for all the games mentioned by the original poster: $1 9/6 DDB - $9K $1 9/7 TDB - $28K$1 8/5 Super Aces - $23K $2 9/6 DDB - $38K $2 9/7 TDB - $66K $2 8/5 Super Aces - $46K Note that 40K hands is about 1 week of play (33 hours) at 1200 hands/hour. The original poster said that his friend "sprinkles" in the other games listed above. It seems possible to me that his # of hands could be around 1.5-2.5 million to get the $640K of W2Gs. Thats translates to about 30 hours per week. Seems possible to me. As a forum newbie, I was surprised by the reaction to the original poster. Not sure why he has to justify his numbers. He was just looking for a typical number of hands that his friend would have played to produce $640K in W2Gs. An approximate # is 1.5-2.5 million depending on play.
First off, 1200 hands an hour is total BS. Second off, the sharpies on here would immediately spot how much a loser this guy would be by playing that much on games they wouldnt touch with a ten foot pole. Third off, if the guy really had that much money to waste hed be going to LV once a week instead of those hoochie places. Fourth off, if a chump like myself was the first to call out the BS factor with the weird numbers thrown up, and with even shadowman concurring, the op is stone cold busted!
