Memorial Day 2012

[Ambassador E]

i also served in the airforce.and i was in vietnam also.and im proud to be a vet.all the vets fought so we keep freedom of the speach.so im proud when i see people exercise that right.

[shadowman]

UNBELEIVABLE !! ...

It makes me sad to think that anyone in this country would choose to 'rank' the level of sacrifice that our young people have made, and continue to make.


 
Just consider the source. It fits in with everything else BS/RS has been saying. Completely lacking in common sense and common decency.

[mendon]

[QUOTE=billyjoe]UNBELEIVABLE !! ...

It makes me sad to think that anyone in this country would choose to 'rank' the level of sacrifice that our young people have made, and continue to make.


 
Just consider the source. It fits in with everything else BS/RS has been saying. Completely lacking in common sense and common decency.[/QUOTE]

[Tedlark]

  Backsider you said that: "Vietnam had nothing to do with preserving our freedom or rights, & everything to do with politics." You really should pick up a book every now and then.

[backsider]

  Backsider you said that: "Vietnam had nothing to do with preserving our freedom or rights, & everything to do with politics." You really should pick up a book every now and then.

I am well read on our past and present wars Ted. Vietnam was supposedly all about stopping the spread of Communism, but political vigor got in the way. We had, for the longest of time, no way out because of that. Our servicemen were turned into pawns and our college campuses turned into center of protests. It was our most unpopular war, and it had nothing at all to do with preserving OUR freedom. And history has proven whatever direction Vietnam took afterwards has had no effect on anything we do or have.

Theres a nice piece of that wars history here at the base. If you live here maybe sometime you could contact me to escort you through a little bit of education on it. Edited to show you the title to the newest article just posted by Yahoo! news. It proves this generation of servicemen are all about the money, something that vets of past wars must be shaking their heads over daily. It identifies how the soldiers who return are looking for financial compensation, claiming mental or physical disabilities.  AP IMPACT: Almost half of new vets seek disability Im a slow reader today. edog, thank you much. Although I dont go to war, a lot of our colleagues do and we miss them. Im glad you understand about Pat Tillmans great sacrifice, the ultimate sacrifice. Also, I went to a class on the Codetalkers and their contributions and sacrifices. It was amazing and Ill never forget it.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=Tedlar]

  Backside you said that: "Vietnam had nothing to do with preserving our freedom or rights, & everything to do with politics." You really should pick up a book every now and then.

I am well read on our past and present wars Ted. Vietnam was supposedly all about stopping the spread of Communism, but political vigor got in the way. We had, for the longest of time, no way out because of that. Our servicemen were turned into pawns and our college campuses turned into center of protests. It was our most unpopular war, and it had nothing at all to do with preserving OUR freedom. And history has proven whatever direction Vietnam took afterwards has had no effect on anything we do or have.

There's a nice piece of that wars history here at the base. If you live here maybe sometime you could contact me to escort you through a little bit of education on it.
 
Edited to show you the title to the newest article just posted by Yahoo! news. It proves this generation of servicemen are all about the money, something that vets of past wars must be shaking their heads over daily. It identifies how the soldiers who return are looking for financial compensation, claiming mental or physical disabilities.
 
AP IMPACT: Almost half of new vets seek disability
 
Im a slow reader today. edog, thank you much. Although I don't go to war, a lot of our colleagues do and we miss them. I'm glad you understand about Pat Tillman's great sacrifice, the ultimate sacrifice. Also, I went to a class on the Code Talkers and their contributions and sacrifices. It was amazing and Ill never forget it.[/QUOTE]
Well, I told myself that I was not going to comment on this anymore, but I just cannot stop myself.
 
BS, as a self-proclaimed well-read person on Vietnam (of course, we can't prove that either, can we ), do you have any idea as to WHY the communist leaders were interested in controlling the entire peninsula in the first place? Look at a map, while considering the technology and range of ICBMs at the time, and maybe a clue will jump out at you. Can you say Cuba?
 
Just a few more comments. No war is popular, but preserving our freedom is an on-going endeavour. To say that our involvement in Vietnam had no effect on the freedom enjoyed in the US today is ludacris. All that history "proves" is that we ARE free in this country because of WHAT we did, with NO guarantee that things would be the same had we NOT been involved, whether that be in Vietnam or any where else in the world. 
 
As far as the liberal press is concerned, I tend to ignore them as much as I can. I doubt that young men join the service just to tip-toe around IEDs so they can get increased benefits if they are fortunate enough to return home. I do know that the VA is now allowing claims to be made for the ill-effects of Agent Orange, which shows me that the government is increasingly more sensitive to the impacts of combat in ALL conflicts.    
 
Just remember: on Memorial Day, the flag is lowered to half-staff  from sun-up until noon to honor those that have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom, and is returned to full-staff until striking to honor those currently serving. I hope you have a wonderful day.     

[Tedlark]

  Thanks billyjoe for your comments, I was going to also include some of what you said in my post but then I decided not to because there would not have been an end to my post. I am getting tired of beating my head against the wall with someone here. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

[backsider]

Well billy, now I see that you need to make a visit to the Vietnam war info center over here too.

You disproved your own point, one which if I may add, is not mentioned in our center because it had nothing to do with the war. We LOST that foolish war, so where are those imaginary ICBMs?

I think you may all benefit from reading up on the waste factor of that war, and the political posturing it created. 50,000+ of our young men died for nothing, the ones who didnt came home to ridicule, and the only thing we got out of it is a beautiful war memorial in Washington.

Recently weve seen a bump in agent orange claims. It sure looks like the old timers are trying to cash in on that even more now, as they watch the latest fad in PTSD grab hold. Like I said, our greatest generation of soldiers was WWII.

[katipug]

 This is the one day I thought everyone would come together and thank ALL veterans from ALL  wars for their service to our country. It is NOT the time for political discourse or who made the bigger sacrifice, or had better music or what disability they are left to cope with after they come home. Death is death no matter if it occured in a farm field at Gettysburg, a bunker in Germany in World War I, an island in the Pacific  or a beach in Normandy in WWII, a cold mountainside in Korea, a jungle in Vietnam, or a desert in Irag, Iran, or Afghanistan. These brave men and women made the ultimate sacrifice for their country and this is the day set aside to HONOR THEM!! Set aside your debates and discourse for another day. Thank you Billyjoe for starting this thread and to all our Vets who have served with honor (you too, AFcruit !) I am blessed to have a son in the US Army who has served +21 yrs plus and is now a recruiter, at times I have asked what he thought about this or that policy, and he always tells me the Army doesn't pay him to have an opinion, he serves at the pleasure of his president and his country. Something I've always heard "Old men make wars, and young men fight them" is just as true today as it was 150yrs ago. When you sleep in peace tonight, thank a Veteran of the US Armed Forces.  Kay West, aka Katipug

[zipper123]

I totally agree Kati, well said!