Major mistake?

[Vman96]

If my bankroll is endless, sure, why not hold the kicker. But most recreational players are trying to manage their bankroll per session. You ended up a few hundred down instead of over a grand. That's how I would view it. You lived to play another day.

But I can ask the reverse, if my bankroll is finite, why play TDB if I am NOT going to hold the kicker??? Anyone worried about bankroll preservation should usually be avoiding TDB and DDB. Bonus or Jacks are usually the best choices for bankroll preservation.



I think what people are trying to say in this thread is that if you're dealt AAA+kicker, but if your session is bad enough you'll get gunshy and just keep AAA, then why are you even playing TDB to begin with?

If there are circumstances where you're going to willingly pass up the correct play for more credits in favor of an incorrect play for a safer shot at less credits, then don't play TDB - just stick with DDB.

That's what I'm exactly trying to say. TDB is designed for extreme gamblers. You definitely shouldn't be gunshy. If you're not willing to gamble by holding the kicker, DDB is the better choice in virtually every casino nationwide.

in the scenario presented by the original poster, were the odds increased to essentially break even by drawing 1 or 2 cards?

gunshy or practical?

does theoretical always equate to reality?

Theory and reality can be way off in the short term...especially in games like TDB. But if your main goal of VP was to win or "essentially" break even the highest percentage of the time in sessions, then I wouldn't hold the kicker (assuming that any quad Aces made that said goal). But in that same vein, I would be playing DDB instead of TDB because both games would accomplish "my goal" and DDB pays 15 on trips versus 10!

But the casinos will thank you many times over for not holding the kicker at TDB. They have the bankroll not to be scared. They would have no qualms paying koking $4000 if he would held the kicker and he drew the case Ace. They will even congratulate him and be very cordial! And this goes for even dirt poor Tunica. I'm sure it hurt Tunica Roadhouse a bit to pay the dude I saw win $5000 last trip (biggest hit I have ever seen in my beloved flea bag casino), but they'll win it back real quick. For example the top grossing casinos in Missouri win $5000 from players every 12 MINUTES on average!!!

The casinos have faith in math as their livelihood depends on it, why doesn't the majority of the active members of this forum?

[notes1]

I am speaking for myself, not the forum.

I believe the math works for the casino because they operate 24/7, with a very large sample size. with limited play, I believe my results are more dependent upon luck. the right machine at the right time.

I would agree that TDB is more likely to be played by those who are willingly to take a bigger risk. but, this is my entertainment, not my job. I do not care to spend my entertainment time being bored playing JOB. why not watch a soccer game.

one can get a premium hand at TDB, other than drawing a single card. I can say with certainty, that in my limited play, I have gotten more premium hands from only have a pair or needing at least 2 cards to a RF.   

[jetermacaw]

I play TDB every week, since Vman made his case back in the beginning of the year I always hold the kicker. I think I have had positive results.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=notes1]I do not care to spend my entertainment time being bored playing
JOB. why not watch a soccer game.[/quote]I agree JOB is boring, but it does have it's pluses.  It all depends upon what you consider to be worse, being bored or terrified. I'm not a big JOB fan. Still, I find it useful when I'm going to play for a week at a time and want to protect my bankroll.  This is especially true when 9/6 JOB is available.  I love deuces, but I find it easier to play JOB error free.   If you make too many errors on a near 100% game, you could easily lower the odds to garbage VP levels.  If I was playing VP for a living and the comps were equal, 9/6 JOB would be my game of choice.

[Vman96]

I would agree that TDB is more likely to be played by those who are willingly to take a bigger risk. but, this is my entertainment, not my job. I do not care to spend my entertainment time being bored playing JOB. why not watch a soccer game.

one can get a premium hand at TDB, other than drawing a single card. I can say with certainty, that in my limited play, I have gotten more premium hands from only have a pair or needing at least 2 cards to a RF.   


I watch soccer sometimes...

Also at least for me, "free drinks" makes JoB more enjoyable as well.   

I definitely would never expect anyone to enjoy JoB.

As I also mentioned in my Tunica thread, I think DDB is the most popular game because all quads are "satisfying". TDB is less popular because many people actually feel the difference of 10 credits for trips vs. 15 when things go badly.

[notes1]

the overwhelming majority of my play is DDB, and it is because the quad payout adds more excitement. the main casino I play at only has 10 machines that even offer TDB and they are often filled up. a little change of pace and on more than one occasion, I have gotten lucky and a premium quad has bailed me out of a bad session.

I have no concerns about any game one plays, including JOB. it is their money, I have never told anyone on this site what or how to play. what I find interesting is that some folks believe that everyone should only play a game that has the least variance and the best payout. as long as one is not getting their gambling money via my tax contributions, play what you can afford and makes you happy.

[FloridaPhil]

I believe errors do more harm to your bankroll than the variance of the game.  If you use the training mode on this website, most players would be surprised at the percentage they lose due to errors. If you play a 99% game badly, you may be worse off than playing a 96% game well.  I challenge anyone on this forum to play DW 100% error free for over two hours.  I'm sure there are a few who can do it, but it's harder than most think.  I could if I played one hand and went to lunch... 

[case]

You can hold what ever you want in any game. But if you want the best pay back you hold the correct cards. In Triple Bonus you hold the kicker with the 3 aces.

I have seen people dealt a full house with three aces in DDB and they kept the full house. Whatever floats your boat. Just don't complain how the games don't pay like they used to.

[Sea Lion]

I barely play TDB anymore except for a rare occasion at Rampart where I had $5 freeplay for my birthday last Thursday. I played that $5 down, stuck a $20 bill in the machine, and about 10 hands later I was dealt AA. On the deal, the 4 and the other two aces pop up for the coveted 4AWK. The last 5  4AWK's  that I've hit have all been off of a pair of aces. I rarely hit quads or quads with kickers off trips. It's just the way it goes. Sometimes you go with your gut instead of the correct play and sometimes it works and most of the time it doesn't. I blame the RNG!

[ko king]

Staggering to see misinformation even by those who have the guts to play Triple Double Bonus.

I'll make a comment and take a definitive stance on it:

HOLD THE KICKER WITH THE TRIP ACES EVERYTIME

When a player transitions from Double Double Bonus to Triple Double Bonus, the sole difference that will happen is a player will make an even more expensive sacrifice on the trips payout for the big time quads+kicker opportunity. You have to give yourself the absolute best chance at hitting those hands, or else changing games like that is a pointless move.

If players make mistakes while playing, it should be as small as few cents apart hopefully. In this situation that arises about 1 in 1300 rounds (or once every 2 hours), for dollar players, the difference is at least $18. That in itself will be a slam dunk decision. $800 is only a drop in the bucket for the proper bankroll requirements needed to handle playing this game through comfortably.



My advice to you KK, stick with Double Double Bonus if your running low on funds to play video poker as a hobby. Also, you have no control over what gets drawn after you make the hold and press the button.

Well funds weren't really the problem, I dropped $900 playing $1/DDB so fast it got me pretty gun shy. I hadn't even hit a full house or flush, I didn't keep track of how much time I had played but it couldn't have been more than 30 minutes. TDB isn't my first choice of games to play but when I do holding the kicker comes natural for me, I paused for several seconds before deciding to toss the kicker. I bet it doesn't happen to me again.