DDB

[aceswithakicker]

I agree completely with you clwn2.  You really need a tutorial program to learn "perfect" play.  And such hands as listed above are figured into the EV tables, with perfect play, and still only result in 96-98% for some tables.  I don't want to even think about how much you are loosing on top of that by not playing proper strategy.

[duckhunter]

We are starting to change our play with DDB, Deluxe, and several other games that have high paying quads.  We figure the pay tables are bad any way and I had much rather have 4 of a kind (low pairs or Aces) than a flush or straight.  We will see how it goes.   I know Keno (you may not believe this but for the last 3 trips Keno has baled us out, go figure have W2 to prove this on last trip, wife is just lucky.  I stayed with Vp and lost every day.  On Triple bonus (four Aces for 4,000.) are you really going to hold the kicker when you have 3 Aces,  I cant do it.

[aceswithakicker]

In Triple Double Bonus, 4 Aces alone pays 800.  With the kicker included it pays 4000, the same as a Royal.  I too have a hard time holding kickers and taking up that extra "slot" for another Ace to fill, but you are supposed to play trip Aces with a kicker the same as 4RF, meaning you hold all four and hope for the best.  EV is around 97 holding the kicker,  78 holding just the trips.  The same rule applies to the low trips (2, 3, 4).  But you may have better luck taking more 800 pots by just holding the trips in the long run.
I too would much rather be getting the low quads instead of the straights and flushes, but the simple fact of the matter is they will come up much more frequently.  It's the summation of all the small wins that keep you rolling long enough to hopefully hit the big ones.  The longer you can play on a given $$ amount, the more likely you are to hit the big ones without going BROKE first.
 

[New2vp]

We are starting to change our play with DDB, Deluxe, and several other games that have high paying quads.  We figure the pay tables are bad any way and I had much rather have 4 of a kind (low pairs or Aces) than a flush or straight.  We will see how it goes.   I know Keno (you may not believe this but for the last 3 trips Keno has baled us out, go figure have W2 to prove this on last trip, wife is just lucky.  I stayed with Vp and lost every day.  On Triple bonus (four Aces for 4,000.) are you really going to hold the kicker when you have 3 Aces,  I cant do it.
 
I think Quad Aces with no kicker on Triple Double Bonus pays 800 coins, with the 4000-coin payout if the kicker is present.
 
It's funny how human nature is.  The strategy tables are set up with the presumption that the player is risk neutral and will be happiest making the play with the highest expected value.  But in reality, we may be risk averse in some situations and risk seeking in others.
 
If we had a situation where we had the following two choices:
 
A.  23 chances out of 1081 to win $5, or
B.  11 chances out of 1081 to wint $5 and 35 chances to win $1,
 
I think most everyone would take A since 23 x 5 = 115 > 11 x 5 + 35 x 1 = 90.  That's because for most of us, there's not too much real difference between $5 and $1, and if we get nothing it doesn't matter too much.
 
But multiply all the numbers by 200 and we end up with the situation of what to hold in quarter Triple Double Bonus when dealt AAA26
 
A.  Hold AAA2 and get 23 chances out of 1081 to win $1000, or
B.  Hold AAA and get 11 chances out of 1081 to win $1000 and 35 to win $200
 
Again A will have the higher expected value, but sometimes we like to avoid the regret if that second card off the top of the virtual deck happens to be an ace.  There's a lot more difference between $200 and $1000, but more importantly to some, there's a big difference between $200 and the $3.75 you get if the trips are unimproved, especially if this is the difference between a winning trip and a losing trip.
 
I'm fairly certain if you multiplied all the numbers by a million, an awful lot of people would go against expected value and pick B to maximize their chances at winning at least $1 million.
 
 

[aceswithakicker]

I've been in this situation on this game except is was 3 deuces and a kicker.  I got lucky and pulled the other deuce for a payout of 2000, but I was already WAY UP for the night so I'm sure that played into my decision.