BEST ODDS/BEST WAY TO PLAY

[rolanddude]

<>
Question?  If I'm willing to bet $10 per each hand,  am I better off playing a single line $2 machine or a quarter Ten play machine.  Assuming I'm playing the same game with the same pay table...I realize the 10 play costs $12.50 but they don't have eight play...
 
kjohn,
 
You can play 8 play if you really want too.  Just go to a "Super Times Pay" 3/5/10 machine...
 
This is one of the only machines that lets you choose exactly how many hands you want to play.  Select one of the 10-Play games... enter in 8 on the number of hands box and 5 on the credits per hand box.  One advantage to using a "Super Times Pay" machine is that they are typically designed for betting the extra credit per hand for a chance at the bonus spinner (6 per hand), therefore, most casinos keep their paytables at least the same as the best available in that "house" on these machines.
 
Hope this helps you if you really want to play exactly $10/hand on multihand games without shorting any hands.
 
Good Luck!

[damule]

 
  One advantage to using a "Super Times Pay" machine is that they are typically designed for betting the extra credit per hand for a chance at the bonus spinner (6 per hand), therefore, most casinos keep their paytables at least the same as the best available in that "house" on these machines.
 
 

 
 
This is rarely the case. I'm an avid Supertimes Pay player and have only seen "one" machine in the past few years where this was the case. When the M Resort first opened they had 1 machine that had STP with typical "full pay" games like 9/6 DDB or 15/9 deuces. That only lasted a few months after local players pounded the daylights out of that machine along with the cash back.
 
In most cases STP is no higher than 9/5 for DDB and 96.23% deuces in typical casinos. Many places, like The Palms and Red Rock/GVR, only have 6/5-8/5 DDB and terrible deuces on their STP machines when feet away they have 9/6 DDB and 16/10 deuces.
 
So although this was a novel suggestion, finding a good paying STP is difficult. You're better off sticking with 3/5 play. Higher pay tables will be much more available on these machines than they will be on STP.

[rolanddude]

Damule, 
I have been to many casinos that some here "say" they will not play at down on the strip and two different "off-strip" casinos.  All of these places that I have played at have the equivalent of the "BEST AVAILABLE" in that house (unless you go to High Limit Area) for STP.  I didn't mean to mislead and have anyone believe that one would find "full-pay" anywhere with this game.  I only wanted to "ENLIGHTEN" many here that there are still some tricks out there that the "gurus" in here have never thought of doing before.  I like playing 2 or 4 line BP for $5 or $10 per play (.50 denom).  My reasons for 2 or 4 lines and not 3 or 5 or 10...  well,  I'll just let that go for now. 
 
Enjoy yourself kjohn!!

[shadowman]

I think a lot of these ideas are good ones, especially when you have poor choices for the games. I almost feel guilty having a positive game to play. Since I do, my play is always targeted at maximizing my advantage. That includes playing on days that have multipliers, showing up on promotion days, and playing to achieve the most comps/perks.
 

[damule]

Damule, 
I have been to many casinos that some here "say" they will not play at down on the strip and two different "off-strip" casinos.  All of these places that I have played at have the equivalent of the "BEST AVAILABLE" in that house (unless you go to High Limit Area) for STP.  I didn't mean to mislead and have anyone believe that one would find "full-pay" anywhere with this game.  I only wanted to "ENLIGHTEN" many here that there are still some tricks out there that the "gurus" in here have never thought of doing before.  I like playing 2 or 4 line BP for $5 or $10 per play (.50 denom).  My reasons for 2 or 4 lines and not 3 or 5 or 10...  well,  I'll just let that go for now. 
 
Enjoy yourself kjohn!!

 
 
RD,
 
      I'm sure you're probably finding my posts on here to be pre-confrontational. But in all seriousness, where are these Supertimes Pay machines on the strip, or for that matter, anywhere in Vegas that have the equivalent pay tables to the better pay tables in the "house". And, no, I'm not talking about the high limit machines either. I'm talking about STP 5-25 cent 3/5/10 play. Unless, over the past 8-10 years during my 100 or so Vegas trips, I've overlooked these machines hidden in some alcoves in the most popular casinos in Vegas that I've searched thoroughly for the best pay tables available. Please tell me where these machines are and specifically what the pay tables are. I gave some specifics of what the STP pay tables are in comparison to the regular vp pay tables at some of the more popular VP casinos in Vegas. I have also checked out many other strip and non-strip casinos and cannot think of a STP that pays the equilalent to the "houses" better pay tables. I know a play here in Phoenix where STP 10-play dimes pays better than STP and regular vp quarters, so I know what to look for. And maybe you can tell me where I'm not looking. Keep in mind, I do laud you for sharing the 2-4-etc trick in STP. That is interesting to a player like me that uses win/loss money management parameters. I can see where that would play into my strategy for multi-play games for higher jackpots and, if indeed you share with us where these games are, higher pay tables.

[rolanddude]

When I was out in LV back in May I went to PH for the first time since the Harrah's swithover.  At a bank of machines close to the top the buffett escalators there was 1 STP w/ 9-6 DDB in .25/.50.  I didn't look at deuces on it.  At Rio on all of the All Star Poker machines that are .25/.50 they have STP @ 7/5 ... the same as all their other BP machines I have found in there.  There are also 2 machines in the right hook of the bar (not the sports bar) next to the 7 denom machines.  These two machines are also 7/5 BP but only 9/5 DDB.  All 7/5 BP games @ 98.28% ER are slightly better than the 9/5 DDB, 9/6 DB, and 8/5 JoB that are the common fare in most all the Harrah's properties I have played at.  I did find 2 All Star poker machines at Caesar's that STP was a better pay table than the 3/5/10 options on the same machine... they were over by the annoying Star Trek slots.  There was also 1 All Star machine in the Rio (all by itself) that had 9/6 DDB STP... @ .25 & .50...  In Harrah's their is 1 All Star machine in between the Bonus 4 of a Kind machine and Spin Poker machine over next to the Monopoly Slots and the buffett line that offers 7/5 BP in .25/.50...  All the others I found in Harrah's didn't have BP on them except the .05 and .10 machines...btw those machines have .25 but it is 6/5 BP.
 
hope this helps...

[New2vp]

Question?  If I'm willing to bet $10 per each hand,  am I better off
playing a single line $2 machine or a quarter Ten play machine.  Assuming I'm
playing the same game with the same pay tablekjohn, as you indicated in a later post, the multi-play offers more excitement and more chance at bigger winners with some goals in mind even though the EV would of course be the same regardless of denomination or hands played (at least for the couple of games that I looked at).For 10/6 DDB and NSUD, playing perfect-play, I looked at the chances of starting with a benji and doubling it, tripling it, or making a profit of $1000 before losing the entire starting stake of $100.  In each case, the multi-line game offered the best chance.10/6 DDB  Chance of achieving goalGoal                  $2 single        10-play $0.25$ 100 profit         20.72%             31.95%$ 200 profit         12.59%             21.65%$1000 profit          5.07%               7.34%NSUD       Chance of achieving goal

Goal                  $2 single        10-play $0.25
$ 100 profit         32.49%             32.82%
$ 200 profit         20.99%             22.41%
$1000 profit          4.02%               6.87%I'm sure that there are other advantages to single line play perhaps with different games or different strategies, but if you want the best chance to double, triple or "undecuple" your starting stake of $100 with the assumptions above, multi-play is the way to go.

[New2vp]

DaMule, You don't need Super Times Pay to play 8 hands.  Most 50-play or 100-play machines will do.  You can play fewer hands than the maximum number at your option.   Lucky Larry has posted frequent pictures of big winners when he wasn't playing the maximum allowable number of hands.  LL, congrats on r-dude conferring guru status to you for this idea!50-play and 100-play are a boon for those who like to play Martingale-like systems (whether they call them that or not).  They can play around with the "Select Hands" button so they can play fewer hands per hour.  They can set the number first to 1 hand, then 2 hands if they get a loser, then 4 hands, etc.  I'm surprised this hasn't been suggested in the past as a way for short-term success!  Instead one purveyor of short-term play has stated "Fifty and Hundred Play, while a novelty, are
totally
off the wall and offer those without a 7-figure bankroll a quick
trip
to the poor house."Of course, one could even devise a system to calculate the hands necessary to maximize the chances of winning given how many coins down one is at a particular time, but optimization might be a bit more advanced than some such short-termers like to play.  Even after losing at 100 hands, you can increase the denomination for even more Martingale-like levels.  And you can also still cash out at random intervals for no good reason other than making the system seem less Martingale-like.

[damule]

RD,
 
All-star poker is a poor example of what a "houses" best play is for non-STP games. All-star poker is almost never the best play in the house at any denom. I will, however, look for those machines at the Rio and PH that you mentioned which have DDB STP for 9/6 as that would be a tremendous play for total rewards members (very close to 100%). I've styaed and played at both those casinos quite often, but have never seen STP DDB higher than 9/5, usually 8/5, at any denom. I'm not much of a bonus poker player, but from what I have seen at most Harrah's properties in Vegas 8/5 bp is available at higher denoms.

[cddenver]

They can set the number first to 1 hand, then 2 hands if they get a loser, then 4 hands, etc.  I'm surprised this hasn't been suggested in the past as a way for short-term success! 

 
I've never thought of that!    
 
So, if they're playing multiple lines and have a net loss over those lines after a draw, they double the number of lines?  And go back to one line whenever they have a net win over all lines?  My, that's clever!