Winning in Vegas

[backsider]

No hostilities from here thats for sure. You guys are a few notches above where I operate from! I didnt understand the shadowman reference but Im hoping your efforts are as successful as your progressives play has been. A while back maybe you remember you offered me a complimentary copy of your book. If the offer still stands please let me know.  

[faygo]

Frank, whatever you find out about RS, I hope you don't bother posting it here. That is someone that should remain "Persona Non Grata".

[backsider]

Frank, whatever you find out about RS, I hope you don't bother posting it here. That is someone that should remain "Persona Non Gratia
 This is a confusing statement. I finally understand Frank some and I see what hes doing, hes interviewing and reviewing someone who has infatuated every forum that talks videopoker. When I eventualy figured out who babybubba was it goes deep here as well. I only have seen him post on vpfree though. So yes, I would like to see what Frank uncovers either way and see no reason why not. A few dont like RS but cooler heads usually prevail.

[shadowman]

So yes, I would like to see what Frank uncovers either way and see no reason why not. A few dont like RS but cooler heads usually prevail.
 I find it rather humorous that anyone expects something to be "uncovered". The system has been analyzed by professional mathematicians. It does not provide any change in the expected return. Frank will simply find that the math is and always has been correct. And, once Frank does this, we will see people start looking elsewhere for advice since they won't like the results. BTW, what is it about Frank that makes him a better source of mathematical information than a person with a math degree like myself? Does a "cooler head" do math better?

[backsider]

[QUOTE=backsider]So yes, I would like to see what Frank uncovers either way and see no reason why not. A few dont like RS but cooler heads usually prevail.
 I find it rather humorous that anyone expects something to be "uncovered". The system has been analyzed by professional mathematicians. It does not provide any change in the expected return. Frank will simply find that the math is and always has been correct. And, once Frank does this, we will see people start looking elsewhere for advice since they won't like the results. BTW, what is it about Frank that makes him a better source of mathematical information than a person with a math degree like myself? Does a "cooler head" do math better?[/QUOTE]
 Hey cool down man! I wasn't aware that you wanted to do what Frank is doing. With all due respect, I dont know who qualifies best but Frank is into math and he has a radio program and a book and has met with the person, so he just seems more likely to go at this in a more professional way than maybe you or some other independents.  How about we wait for his report before jumping to conclusions. Give him a chance.

[Frank Kneeland]

A while back maybe you remember you offered me a complimentary copy of your book. If the offer still stands please let me know. Absolutely it's still open.  I owe you one. Remember? You called me on a point that has in my opinion improved my overall forum experience and performance.This is a two way learning process and I'm always grateful to those that teach me something.Email me your address and I'll get it off ASAP. If nothing else you should laugh a lot.~FK

[Frank Kneeland]

Frank, whatever you find out about RS, I hope you don't bother posting it here. That is someone that should remain "Persona Non Grata".I typically reply to posts on a per forum basis. If someone on vpFREE asks about cocktail waitress I answer on vpFREE. backsider made a comment here directly to me, so I replied here.If no one asks about my RS evaluation here, I will not post it here.I'd be much happier if no one had asked at all, and I didn't have to post it anywhere.This is going to be a lot of work with very little upside for me.~FK

[shadowman]

Hey cool down man! I wasn't aware that you wanted to do what Frank is doing. With all due respect, I dont know who qualifies best but Frank is into math and he has a radio program and a book and has met with the person, so he just seems more likely to go at this in a more professional way than maybe you or some other independents.  How about we wait for his report before jumping to conclusions. Give him a chance.
 I don't want to do anything. There is no need to. The analysis has been done many times over. You can see parts of it in the archives right here.  Why is it you need a 50th opinion on a matter that has been answered completely in the past? http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/progress/unfair.htm There is nothing Frank can add to the discussion. That's not a slam on Frank, it's simply the reality of the situation. We are not talking about anything complicated. This is simple math and simple statistics. It's like asking Frank to verify that 2+2=4. A progression cannot change the return of a game. Period.  There are other effects of playing progressions that have also been covered on various forums ad nauseum. If you want to understand those effect, ie. increased volatility, then those are easy to answer and won't waste any of Frank's time.

[backsider]

Youve completly lost me shadowman. I go to that link and I dont see anything about the RS playing strategy even if I could understand any of it. Are you trying to apply generalizations? I say lets either support Frank on his effort or be silent on it. Im just an interested party but I am clueless about the details. I'll be silent now until he finishes.

[Frank Kneeland]

BTW, what is it about Frank that makes him a better source of mathematical information than a person with a math degree like myself? Does a "cooler head" do math better?I hope people don't think I'm a better source of mathematical information. Math is math. From what I've seen shadowman is about as good as they come in this regard.As far as cooler heads doing anything better. I have always found anger to be a great motivator. One could make a valid argument for both being of service. I do believe that whatever I have to say on the subject will be taken in a different light since I have less emotional attachment to the outcome of the results.I believe I am also more interested in the sociological and psychological underpinnings of this ongoing debate, which should make my insights into these matters of use to a wider swath of people. In my life when I run across people with divergent beliefs it has always been of greater interest to me why they thought what they thought, than what they thought.I'm more focused on the paths people take than their destinations.Currently I'm on a very nice pretty path with a babbling brook. Hay is that a cliff up ahead.~FK